Taylor to Return w/o Restructure or Paycut

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If we do indeed bring him back it's a complete waste of time unless we turn him loose and let him do what he does best.

Exactly.. We've got to let players do what they do best rather than try to cram them into fitting a scheme that doesn't fit what they do best.

After the '07 season everyone down in Miami was talking about what a bust Joey Porter was and he was a waste of money and a position. The new coaching staff put him place to succeed and he put up numbers similar to his career previously in '08.

Putting Taylor in a rover DE/WLB position and let him go after the passer gives him and us the best usage of his abilities.

[Eknox]

We should move him to right DE

[The Goat]

... and btw if Carter gets moved to LDE I hope Blache or someone suggests he let his body fat to explode beyond 3% LOL. I guess he runs around 255 lbs during the season and I don't see any reason he couldn't pack on a few more pounds.

[CRedskinsRule]

I voted that I hate the move even though I like that he is returning. I hate that they could not find a way to reduce his price tag.

[Daseal]

I think the injury last season really hampered him. I think his play early and late in the year was pretty good. I bet JT comes back and earns his Salary.

Paintrain -- what makes you think JT at WLB is "what he does best." As far as I know, he has never played that position and has always played DE throughout his career. Can he run? I know he's a very tall TE -- how big of a liability in coverage would he be? And I really don't see much attacking, especially from LBs coming from Blache.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think the injury last season really hampered him. I think his play early and late in the year was pretty good. I bet JT comes back and earns his Salary.

Paintrain -- what makes you think JT at WLB is "what he does best." As far as I know, he has never played that position and has always played DE throughout his career. Can he run? I know he's a very tall TE -- how big of a liability in coverage would he be? And I really don't see much attacking, especially from LBs coming from Blache.

Well I probably stated that wrong. What he does best is play attack the QB which he can do best from the left DE position or WLB. In our defense, as constructed we don't have an open position for him where he'd be most effective. I guess I am saying the same as Matty, if he's going to be here let's all hope that he's going to be used to maximize his talents vs trying to fit him into the system.

[SBXVII]

"Before the trade was done, he was asked if he would play out his two years left on the contract, and he said, 'Absolutely,' " Wichard said. "They asked for a two-year commitment from Jason. They gave up a lot to get him, so I understand why they did, and we gave them that commitment. That was the deal, so there's nothing new there. They weren't doing it for one year and we weren't doing it for one year. It was two years on both sides."

Gotta love is agent for trying to keep Taylor from getting the axe for CAP reasons. LOL.

[redsk1]

The guy is a HOF player who had devastating injuries last year. If healthy JT could be a real beast for us. He's in great shape and is only 34. Come on guys, most were excited about this move last year. It's his contract. It's what we accepted.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by redsk1

The guy is a HOF player who had devastating injuries last year. If healthy JT could be a real beast for us. He's in great shape and is only 34. Come on guys, most were excited about this move last year. It's his contract. It's what we accepted.

Plus, regardless of how he plays this year he's going to be off the books at the end of the season. It's not a classic Snyder move where he'd be restructured for 2 more seasons to spread the cap hit.

[SmootSmack]

I like that he's coming back for another season.

-It's not up to him to decide to restructure. The Redskins should go to Taylor and his agent if they want to restructure, not the other way around. And, I don't consider myself a cap expert, but I'm sure there are good reasons for not restructuring his deal where it potentially hurts us more in the long run.

-He has no reason to ask for a pay cut. He earned his contract...by being one of the best defensive players in the league for the past decade. The fact that he was hurt last year is irrelevant to the contract he signed before he arrived.

-There seems to be a prevaling gloom and doom feeling that he's about to have a Simeon Rice like drop-off and be a worthless scrub...or he could bounce back from injury at his age and have a strong season a la Michael Strahan.

-He had one of his best seasons ever, I think he even won defensive MVP, playing a lot of linebacker back in 2006.

-I don't know what the plan is for him and Andre Carter. Carter did have some success last year when they lined him up at LDE against the Vikings. Two things to consider though, a stalwart-Daniels-was lined up on the other side and the Vikings are not really a passing threat anyway. Either way, JT showed he can still play the game during the albeit limited time he was healthy. And, like I said before, he's one of the best defensive players to play the game in the last decade and he hasn't really had any injury problems until his one injury last year. It's up to Blache, Olivadotti, and Palermo to take advantage of his incredible talents and put him in the right positions to succeed.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

-He has no reason to ask for a pay cut. He earned his contract...by being one of the best defensive players in the league for the past decade. The fact that he was hurt last year is irrelevant to the contract he signed before he arrived.

There you go using blatant reasoning again! This line of thinking exists in exactly .73% of all sports fans. The rest are willing to let a guy play at all-pro level for less than he should be making but once he signs a fair deal and eventually his play drops then he is "stealing from the team". Hypocrisy at its best.

I agree with you. He earned his deal. It's on us for acquiring it. He was a great football player and maybe he still can be. One year at that salary won't kill us long term. Restructuring it to save a few mil and pushing it forward just kills us long term. In this case I'd prefer we take one year of greater risk rather than three of lesser, yet still substantial risk.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I like that he's coming back for another season.

-It's not up to him to decide to restructure. The Redskins should go to Taylor and his agent if they want to restructure, not the other way around. And, I don't consider myself a cap expert, but I'm sure there are good reasons for not restructuring his deal where it potentially hurts us more in the long run.

-He has no reason to ask for a pay cut. He earned his contract...by being one of the best defensive players in the league for the past decade. The fact that he was hurt last year is irrelevant to the contract he signed before he arrived.

-There seems to be a prevaling gloom and doom feeling that he's about to have a Simeon Rice like drop-off and be a worthless scrub...or he could bounce back from injury at his age and have a strong season a la Michael Strahan.

-He had one of his best seasons ever, I think he even won defensive MVP, playing a lot of linebacker back in 2006.

-I don't know what the plan is for him and Andre Carter. Carter did have some success last year when they lined him up at LDE against the Vikings. Two things to consider though, a stalwart-Daniels-was lined up on the other side and the Vikings are not really a passing threat anyway. Either way, JT showed he can still play the game during the albeit limited time he was healthy. And, like I said before, he's one of the best defensive players to play the game in the last decade and he hasn't really had any injury problems until his one injury last year. It's up to Blache, Olivadotti, and Palermo to take advantage of his incredible talents and put him in the right positions to succeed.

Good points.

Personally I would like to have his cap space, but we should be able to free up an ample amount with other moves.

I never agreed with flat out cutting him. When healthy and used properly he's a game changer. I'm hoping we'll turn him loose and get creative in finding ways to let him get after the QB. He was clearly handcuffed last year and of course the injuries didn't help.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I like that he's coming back for another season.

-It's not up to him to decide to restructure. The Redskins should go to Taylor and his agent if they want to restructure, not the other way around. And, I don't consider myself a cap expert, but I'm sure there are good reasons for not restructuring his deal where it potentially hurts us more in the long run.

-He has no reason to ask for a pay cut. He earned his contract...by being one of the best defensive players in the league for the past decade. The fact that he was hurt last year is irrelevant to the contract he signed before he arrived.

-There seems to be a prevaling gloom and doom feeling that he's about to have a Simeon Rice like drop-off and be a worthless scrub...or he could bounce back from injury at his age and have a strong season a la Michael Strahan.

-He had one of his best seasons ever, I think he even won defensive MVP, playing a lot of linebacker back in 2006.

-I don't know what the plan is for him and Andre Carter. Carter did have some success last year when they lined him up at LDE against the Vikings. Two things to consider though, a stalwart-Daniels-was lined up on the other side and the Vikings are not really a passing threat anyway. Either way, JT showed he can still play the game during the albeit limited time he was healthy. And, like I said before, he's one of the best defensive players to play the game in the last decade and he hasn't really had any injury problems until his one injury last year. It's up to Blache, Olivadotti, and Palermo to take advantage of his incredible talents and put him in the right positions to succeed.

But even when JT wasn't hurt he played like crap. He couldn't get to the passer or play the run. All he did was bat down some passes. So why take the risk for a guy that's not going be here for the off season program and only going to be here for one more year? That makes no sense to me. I'd rather keep Evans and bring in a guy like Canty than keep Taylor.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

But even when JT wasn't hurt he played like crap. He couldn't get to the passer or play the run. All he did was bat down some passes. So why take the risk for a guy that's not going be here for the off season program and only going to be here for one more year? That makes no sense to me. I'd rather keep Evans and bring in a guy like Canty than keep Taylor.

I haven't heard anything about him not being here in the offseason? Have you? Also, none of our players could get to the passer all season.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I haven't heard anything about him not being here in the offseason? Have you? Also, none of our players could get to the passer all season.

I thought that's why we paid big bucks and draft picks for JT.