Ocho Cinco In B&G

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

here , here

I think in this case it's ok to start a new thread because a) there is new information and b) the new information is likely to start another large discussion. So better to start fresh with a new thread. It's a delicate balance, to be sure. Sometimes it's best to just add to an existing thread. For example, with the news that Schwartz had extended his deal with the Titans I chose to add it to an existing thread primarily because it was a piece of news that would close the discussion at hand (Schwartz as Redskins HC). Now, had he not extended his deal that certainly would have merited its own thread.

Like I said, it can be tough to tell. But the mods can help. That's what we're here for. If we feel threads should be merged we can do that. There have been times we've suggested to posters to take the post they've created in an existing thread and start a new one. Or PM one of us if you have doubt about starting a new thread. I mean I'm evil, but the rest of the mods are pretty nice.

[texasskinsfan]

Yeah bring in another troubled reciever to start up problems on the team and create a hostile work place. Remember how good of a player Michael Westbrook was but because of his bad behavior it was never shown because he stayed in so much trouble.

I would rather have Randy Moss to go with Santana Moss and El, because it is very clear Randy has grown up and no longer causes the problems on the field that he use to. And for those who want to bring up the situation in Florida I really do believe R. Moss when he says he didn't do anything wrong and trust me I've never ever been a fan or R. Moss' and really still not but I do admire him for growing up and behaving properly now.

So I would rather have Randy than Chad

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Who the hell cares if a guy scores a TD and walks off like he's been there before, or if he scores a TD and pulls out a cell phone and calls his mom to say hi?

It still counts for 6 points doesn't it? People are getting WAAAY too carried away with this crap. Hard work and production are what matters most. Everything else is secondary... WAAAY secondary.

Yeah, i don't mind the celebrations but personally it gets a little over the top sometimes. It's not just the celebration but the interviews, the ME talk, it just get's old sometimes. I really like CJ and his work ethic, but he needs to tone it down just a little. He doesn't have to talk about every CB he's beaten each week. For me personally i just get tired of CJ sometimes.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

It sounds like there's more to CJ's behavior than just a passion for winning & celebrating. He's been gradually acting more selfish. The first publicity I remember of it was when the host bengals lost to the evenutal SB champ steelers in 05-06. At halftime of that game it was reported that he threw a tantrum & had to be restrained.

Since then it seems the sideline arguments & overall complaining have increased. He's nowhere near the problem child TO is, but his behavior, as noted by JLC, has alienated teamates. It's too easy to say all the bengals are to blame. Sure, they've had a lot of problem players as far as off field stuff goes, but none of them appears as selfish on the field.

Here's the key point. I'd much rather have Chad Johnson's talent and his passion/any tendency to yell at teammates than Reche Caldwell's talent and his complete and total cooperation as a teammate.

We'd win more games with CJ as a Redskin than we would without him.

Hey, if we can find another game breaking WR out there who wouldn't be a problem, I'm all for that. I'm not necessarily married to CJ. But I do think a big move at WR is a wise idea. It would make a huge difference for us.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Because when a big piece of news come out, it better serves the site to have it easily accessible in it's own thread. If you put it in an old thread, it simply bumps to the top, but many readers won't even bother opening it because they'll think it's the same old tired discussion.

Besides, the discussion changes dramatically when you have legit news sources tying Snyder to Chad than when you simply have fan speculation.

Matter of opinion I guess. I think it meshes pretty well with those two threads, it justs lends credence to them. But whatever, as SS pointed out, I was wrong, sorry to offend.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I do not think that Chad Johnson should be lumped in with troublemakers like T.O. and Randy Moss. However, he's no Art Monk. Johnson has engaged in excessive celebrations on numerous occasions despite knowing that such celebrations would draw 15 yard penalties. Team players do not knowingly draw 15 yard penalties simply to get ESPN's attention. Johnson also reportedly had several temper tantrums over the past few years in which he reportedly yelled and, even swung at, members of the coaching staff. Gibbs-esque players do not yell at the coaching staff.

I also think that Johnson will likely play at a Pro Bowl level for several more years. However, I do not believe it is wise to trade high draft picks (which the Bengals would surely demand) for 30 year old wideouts who expect to be highly paid, much less highly-paid 30 year old players who also demand to be the center of attention and who have little regard for the "team concept" and even less respect for authority.

In my opinion, we would be much better served using high draft picks to gamble on younger, more respectful, and less-demanding (both in terms of attention and money) draftees. Chad Johnson is certainly a star, but he's also got a trail of baggage that I would prefer to do without.

[irish]

Originally Posted by texasskinsfan

Yeah bring in another troubled reciever to start up problems on the team and create a hostile work place. Remember how good of a player Michael Westbrook was but because of his bad behavior it was never shown because he stayed in so much trouble.

I would rather have Randy Moss to go with Santana Moss and El, because it is very clear Randy has grown up and no longer causes the problems on the field that he use to. And for those who want to bring up the situation in Florida I really do believe R. Moss when he says he didn't do anything wrong and trust me I've never ever been a fan or R. Moss' and really still not but I do admire him for growing up and behaving properly now.

So I would rather have Randy than Chad

Moss is behaving himself because the Pats are winning. If he comes to the Skins and they pull their usual 7-9 to 9-7 routine and miss the playoffs he wont be happy.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Matter of opinion I guess. I think it meshes pretty well with those two threads, it justs lends credence to them. But whatever, as SS pointed out, I was wrong, sorry to offend.

Not wrong. Just a matter of opinion.

By the way, someone mentioned possibly drafting Limas Sweed. I think if they go WR in the first round (which I don't think they will), they'll go with Malcolm Kelly.

[BleedBurgundy]

I think CJ is a good wideout, but his performance kind of fell off this year, didn't it? SGG is right, better to draft the next Chad Johnson, not the current one who's going to command top dollar...

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I think CJ is a good wideout, but his performance kind of fell off this year, didn't it? SGG is right, better to draft the next Chad Johnson, not the current one who's going to command top dollar...

Easier said then done. Finding a quality rookie wideout is almost as hard as drafting a good QB.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by texasskinsfan

Yeah bring in another troubled reciever to start up problems on the team and create a hostile work place. Remember how good of a player Michael Westbrook was but because of his bad behavior it was never shown because he stayed in so much trouble.

I would rather have Randy Moss to go with Santana Moss and El, because it is very clear Randy has grown up and no longer causes the problems on the field that he use to. And for those who want to bring up the situation in Florida I really do believe R. Moss when he says he didn't do anything wrong and trust me I've never ever been a fan or R. Moss' and really still not but I do admire him for growing up and behaving properly now.

So I would rather have Randy than Chad

No offense, but to say that Randy Moss is less troubled than Chad Johnson is just stupid. I really dont know where people are getting the "headcase" label from. In 2005, when the Bengals are winning everyone loves him, now that the Bengals suck he is a "headcase" And how can u compare CJ to Michael Westbrook. They are not even inthe same breath. All the people that called Chad Johnson a "headcase" need to look up the definition of the word.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by 81+83+84=Posse

I'm sure he'd get a huge payday here. The thought of giving Campbell that kind of target is very intriguing though. Johnson, Moss, El. Wow. I'd put those three up against New England's receivers anyday.

the problem with your comparison is that we don't have Brady, and that is not a knock on campbell.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Easier said then done. Finding a quality rookie wideout is almost as hard as drafting a good QB.

First round WRs are usually 50/50 gambles, but, then again, free agent wideouts aren't exactly sure-things. Brandon Lloyd anyone? Moreover, the upside and risk on lower 1st round draftees is far and away better than that of FA wideouts.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Easier said then done. Finding a quality rookie wideout is almost as hard as drafting a good QB.

I think you can find a difference maker WR in the third round

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

No offense, but to say that Randy Moss is less troubled than Chad Johnson is just stupid. I really dont know where people are getting the "headcase" label from. In 2005, when the Bengals are winning everyone loves him, now that the Bengals suck he is a "headcase" And how can u compare CJ to Michael Westbrook. They are not even inthe same breath. All the people that called Chad Johnson a "headcase" need to look up the definition of the word.

See my earlier post + post #51 from Sheriff GG. In 05 Johnson began to be a problem when things didn't go well. In the last few years Johnson has been more of problem than Moss IMO. I know that Moss gave up in Oak. & he's still capable of being a problem, but overall he seems to have grown up a lot.