Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot in Arizona

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

It's plain irresponsible to use this tragedy as a launching point to discuss the nature of rhetoric in our country as it applies to politics. It had nothing to do with politics...at all. It's pathetic that this is what the situation has become.

What? A politician that gets shot at a political event has everything to do with politics. Was it purely political as in right or left ideology, that we don't know. But to simply dismiss this as some random act of violence by some nutcase is completely irresponsable.

First, the map Palin posted on her website wasn't from 2 or 3 years ago, it was as recent as the November mid-term elections that were recently held. That makes it very relevant as far as the toxic political environment goes.

[firstdown]

[QUOTE=12thMan;777416]What? A politician that gets shot at a political event has everything to do with politics. Was it purely political as in right or left ideology, that we don't know. But to simply dismiss this as some random act of violence by some nutcase is completely irresponsable.

First, the map Palin posted on her website wasn't from 2 or 3 years ago, it was as recent as the November mid-term elections that were recently held. That makes it very relevant as far as the toxic political environment goes.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for a good laugh. Lets see her map was about seat they aimed to win. Thus they used the little aim things. Not sure how you could tie the two together. If I'm correct they have nothing on this guy that ties him to all this stupid speculation from the left.

What makes her map any different then this map the dems used.



No telling how many people have been shot living in the states they have targets on. Now that I look at that map again the target on Virginia is about where VT is located in Virginia. I bet this was the map that drove that guy to kill those other students.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I would think our founding fathers would have disagreed 110%.

Didn't someone once say: "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."

Im pretty sure hes saying that cynically or sarcastically..... At least i hope so

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I would think our founding fathers would have disagreed 110%.

Didn't someone once say: "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."

The dissent from the tea party is what the left has a problem with if you ask me. You know the same left that spewed all the hate to Bush before he even took office.

[firstdown]

Remember when this stuff was not considered hate:




We all remember what the left said when a few at a tea party rally had a sign like these.



But I guess hate only comes from the right. I don't remember these people in the news every night.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Im pretty sure hes saying that cynically or sarcastically..... At least i hope so

I am sure he is not. I'm pretty sure the founding fathers considered the right to dissent to be fundamental given that they started a revolution when the right was denied to them (You know, the taxation without representation thing).

[12thMan]

[quote=firstdown;777433]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

What? A politician that gets shot at a political event has everything to do with politics. Was it purely political as in right or left ideology, that we don't know. But to simply dismiss this as some random act of violence by some nutcase is completely irresponsable.

First, the map Palin posted on her website wasn't from 2 or 3 years ago, it was as recent as the November mid-term elections that were recently held. That makes it very relevant as far as the toxic political environment goes.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for a good laugh. Lets see her map was about seat they aimed to win. Thus they used the little aim things. Not sure how you could tie the two together. If I'm correct they have nothing on this guy that ties him to all this stupid speculation from the left.

What makes her map any different then this map the dems used.



No telling how many people have been shot living in the states they have targets on. Now that I look at that map again the target on Virginia is about where VT is located in Virginia. I bet this was the map that drove that guy to kill those other students.

You're way off, man. Pull up the map that Palin used with cross hairs over Giffords name and congessional district. Oh wait, Palin pulled it down within hours of the shooting. I wonder why?

Anyway, I was --still am-- pulling for Sarah to at least make it to the primaries, now I'm not so sure. But the issue isn't whether the two are linked or not, it's that she continues to display amazingly bad judgement for someone with presidential aspirations.

[BleedBurgundy]

^she has bad judgement for someone with PTA aspirations, let alone POTUS.

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[MTK]

She would be a trainwreck as a Presidential candidate. Sure would be entertaining though!

[12thMan]

I have theories as to why it's almost impossible for her not to run. I think this last bungled video damaged her big time though and might give her pause...unfortunately.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Remember when this stuff was not considered hate:

We all remember what the left said when a few at a tea party rally had a sign like these.

But I guess hate only comes from the right. I don't remember these people in the news every night.

No it comes from both sides and it should be stopped period. I don't get the need to go on the defensive.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

No it comes from both sides and it should be stopped period. I don't get the need to go on the defensive.

I think every rational person agrees with that. Some people dont agree with him but Glenn Beck's Letter to The American People, Politicians and Media is something that every rational American should agree with. Maybe someone else can take credit for it so more people will sign it.


Glenn’s letter to the American people, politicians, and media – Glenn Beck


I challenge all Americans, left or right, regardless if you’re a politician, pundit, painter, priest, parishioner, poet or porn star to agree with all of the following.

• I denounce violence, regardless of ideological motivation.
• I denounce anyone, from the Left, the Right or middle, who believes physical violence is the answer to whatever they feel is wrong with our country.
• I denounce those who wish to tear down our system and rebuild it in their own image, whatever that image may be.
• I denounce those from the Left, the Right or middle, who call for riots and violence as an opportunity to bring down and reconstruct our system.
• I denounce violent threats and calls for the destruction of our system – regardless of their underlying ideology – whether they come from the Hutaree Militia or Frances Fox Piven.
• I hold those responsible for the violence, responsible for the violence. I denounce those who attempt to blame political opponents for the acts of madmen.
• I denounce those from the Left, the Right or middle that sees violence as a viable alternative to our long established system of change made within the constraints of our constitutional Republic.

I will stand with anyone willing to sign that pledge. Today I make a personal choice. I urge leaders of both sides and all walks of life to join me as all Americans joined hands on 9.12.2001.

I believe that we must change ourselves to hold on to our republic. That’s why I have been talking about e4. Enlightenment. Education. Empowerment. Entrepreneurship. It’s a personal solution for all of us to become the people we were born to be, not the people we’ve allowed ourselves to become. I have called for a personal revolution; change ourselves in order to change the world. Those who live with honor and are responsible to themselves and their families will be the key to the future of our Republic, not those playing political games.

While everyone seems to be focused on politics, I instead choose to focus on Christina Green, the nine year old victim killed Saturday. Born on 9.11.2001, she is now a victim of another case of horrific violence. I hope we can all remember Christina by acting the way we did when she was one day old: To focus on values and principles, to use common sense and stop playing politics

[JoeRedskin]

[quote=12thMan;777549]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You're way off, man. Pull up the map that Palin used with cross hairs over Giffords name and congessional district. Oh wait, Palin pulled it down within hours of the shooting. I wonder why?

Anyway, I was --still am-- pulling for Sarah to at least make it to the primaries, now I'm not so sure. But the issue isn't whether the two are linked or not, it's that she continues to display amazingly bad judgement for someone with presidential aspirations.

Ding Ding Ding!!!

Absolutely agree.

[Chico23231]

^ How could anyone vote for such an outright idoit? She is a joke in her party and every hardcore republican i know thinks shes is an ass or just a nice piece of ass...if anyone think she make an viable President they're an ass.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

^ How could anyone vote for such an outright idoit? She is a joke in her party and every hardcore republican i know thinks shes is an ass or just a nice piece of ass...if anyone think she make an viable President they're an ass.

I personally would not vote for her unless I had no other choice but she does not deserve the attacks she is getting from the left. Thats just the way the media and the left work as I pointed out above.