Parkland Shooting

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

More guns = more problems

Arming teachers is just asinine

Now Trump is blaming video games? So guns in a video game are the problem but not the real ones? Brilliant

Sorry Matty, I know we disagree on all this stuff, but the bolded line is pure BS.

Are you saying Baltimore Police should be unarmed? Md has decent gun laws. Again, let the politicians go without their armed guards, and see how that fares.

Bad people doing bad things is bad for those who are devastated by it. Politicians making bad laws immediately after bad things happen is bad for the future of our society.

At least Trump is talking about ALL the aspects, mental health, gun ownership ages, yes, even video games can feed an unhealthy mentality. Liberals want to act like a gun free zone would save the world. It won't, ever.

[MTK]

F it let’s just arm everyone Wild West style

Guns don’t solve problems or prevent them

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by MTK

F it let’s just arm everyone Wild West style

Guns don’t solve problems or prevent them

That is the gun manufacturers wet dream. Everyone gets so scared they run out and buy guns.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

F it let’s just arm everyone Wild West style

Guns don’t solve problems or prevent them

There are steps to take, but to blame the object (gun) as the primary focus ignores the realities that there are a lot of other steps that can be taken and have more net positive effect.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

There are steps to take, but to blame the object (gun) as the primary focus ignores the realities that there are a lot of other steps that can be taken and have more net positive effect.

Completely disagree. The problem in Parkland was that obviously unstable asshole had access to a gun capable of firing a shit ton of rounds in a very short time.

Fixing someone's mental health - the right acts like that's as simple as going to the doctor and getting antibiotics for a sore throat.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Completely disagree. The problem in Parkland was that obviously unstable asshole had access to a gun capable of firing a shit ton of rounds in a very short time.

Fixing someone's mental health - the right acts like that's as simple as going to the doctor and getting antibiotics for a sore throat.

One of the big lies used recently is that guns haven't changed. Every gun I used when I was younger had either bolt or pump action or I had to cock the hammer.

Bit more difficult to go on a spree with limited ammo or if you have to manually chamber a round.

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[MTK]

One of the laziest arguments out there is trying to blame video games

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...hes-wrong/amp/

[MTK]

Common sense laws are all any reasonable people are looking for, low hanging fruit like raising the age to 21 and strict background checks. Why is that so much to ask for without the response being you’re coming for our guns

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by MTK

Common sense laws are all any reasonable people are looking for, low hanging fruit like raising the age to 21 and strict background checks. Why is that so much to ask for without the response being you’re coming for our guns

Actually I want all gun owners to carry insurance. Your kid shoots someone with you gun you bear the costs. Your gun is used in a crime and you didn't report it stolen your financially responsible.

I would also want everyone licensed before they can have one.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Dan73

Actually I want all gun owners to carry insurance. Your kid shoots someone with you gun you bear the costs. Your gun is used in a crime and you didn't report it stolen your financially responsible.

I would also want everyone licensed before they can have one.

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I actually like the insurance idea.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I actually like the insurance idea.

I don't have a problem with responsible gun ownership. I have seen insurance as a step in that direction



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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

Common sense laws are all any reasonable people are looking for, low hanging fruit like raising the age to 21 and strict background checks. Why is that so much to ask for without the response being you’re coming for our guns

Because their stance, when you strip down all the window dressing and superfluous nonsense, is basically some derivative of "fuck you I like my gun".

It's asinine. Nobody needs an AR15, they do far more harm than good in society so thus should be banned. Background checks should require everyone to sit in front of as many qualified individuals who can assess human behavior and identify mental stability and emotional state.

But ultimately, fuck you, I like my gun.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Because their stance, when you strip down all the window dressing and superfluous nonsense, is basically some derivative of "fuck you I like my gun".



It's asinine. Nobody needs an AR15, they do far more harm than good in society so thus should be banned. Background checks should require everyone to sit in front of as many qualified individuals who can assess human behavior and identify mental stability and emotional state.



But ultimately, fuck you, I like my gun.

Yup, guns > our children too apparently

20 years of this senseless shit and no real changes

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Yup, guns > our children too apparently

20 years of this senseless shit and no real changes

That's more BS and part of the reason discussion becomes so hard. We all want our children safe. The approach and ideas of what works is where we differ.

As for the 20 years. The country has moved more and more towards gun free zones "safe" spaces and stricter regulations and what we have gotten is more and more devastating attacks.

Maybe we try to stop politicizing and demonizing the other side and listen to both sides for ideas and rationales.

There is a reason police forces are armed, a reason why private security firms exist. We defend politicians and executives with armed guards, metal detectors, and security checks of individuals. But those aren't worth considering for our kids because guns are bad.

There are solutions that can include gun laws but there are 0 solutions that only have gun laws.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

That's more BS and part of the reason discussion becomes so hard. We all want our children safe. The approach and ideas of what works is where we differ.

As for the 20 years. The country has moved more and more towards gun free zones "safe" spaces and stricter regulations and what we have gotten is more and more devastating attacks.

Maybe we try to stop politicizing and demonizing the other side and listen to both sides for ideas and rationales.

There is a reason police forces are armed, a reason why private security firms exist. We defend politicians and executives with armed guards, metal detectors, and security checks of individuals. But those aren't worth considering for our kids because guns are bad.

There are solutions that can include gun laws but there are 0 solutions that only have gun laws.

Of course police carry guns. You have tons of citizens now armed. And now you get complaints about too many police shootings. Meanwhile other countries don't arm all police officers.

And not there has not been move to do away with guns. Back in the 90's while sanity was still around you had the assault rifle ban.

But at the same time talk radio was giving the gun manufacturers a platform to spout fear and that coupled with anti government crap especially people like Liddy saying aim for their head talking about government agents.

Your solution is more people taking up the tools to end life and harm others.

People who promote being prepared to kill others are no different than those who promote abortion as a means of birth control.

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