Another school Shooting Nevada

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Funny you call me a gun nut and I don't even own a gun.

Where did I ever say you have to own one to be one ?

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Giantone

This is a response from a grown up to a gun thread about more children being shot and killed , amazing .

It was a direct response to your Utopian drivel. Don't try to bend my words, hippie.

[MTK]

Nice that we can have an intelligent debate.

[Chico23231]

I dont think teachers should have guns in the classroom, I dont think people should be visibly armed outside/patroling the halls either. But I would have no problem with a 1 security/resource officer certified, conceled permit to have access to a hidden firearm at a school. No problem at all with that. School budgets are tight, but if your serious about child safety and guns, then that area should have no problem with being taxed to pay for it.

But, teachers, administrators have no effing business having a gun in their desk. none

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I dont think teachers should have guns in the classroom, I dont think people should be visibly armed outside/patroling the halls either. But I would have no problem with a 1 security/resource officer certified, conceled permit to have access to a hidden firearm at a school. No problem at all with that. School budgets are tight, but if your serious about child safety and guns, then that area should have no problem with being taxed to pay for it.

But, teachers, administrators have no effing business having a gun in their desk. none

The SROs in our county are Baltimore County Police Officers. They wear their unis and their guns. Personally, I think if the constituents in a district feel funding for a SRO is too expensive they do not have their priorities right. You also bring a valid reason why many police officers are against armed teachers. First it would require all police to know who and be able to properly ID the teachers who are legally carrying so when they enter a school they don't confuse the armed teacher with a suspect. Second you would have to disclose the undercover police officers in a school to the admin and those teachers so that if an incident does occur a teacher doesn't assume they are seeing a student with a gun in the hallway.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

The SROs in our county are Baltimore County Police Officers. They wear their unis and their guns. Personally, I think if the constituents in a district feel funding for a SRO is too expensive they do not have their priorities right. You also bring a valid reason why many police officers are against armed teachers. First it would require all police to know who and be able to properly ID the teachers who are legally carrying so when they enter a school they don't confuse the armed teacher with a suspect. Second you would have to disclose the undercover police officers in a school to the admin and those teachers so that if an incident does occur a teacher doesn't assume they are seeing a student with a gun in the hallway.

The problem with having an officer in the schools is the cost and these things are so random. It would be like putting a cop in every neighborhood. I'm not saying arm all teachers I'm talking a few that may elect to carry. That's only if the local schools and PTA's decide it is best for the school. People have to remember most cops go their intire career never firing their guns and the same would be the case for these teachers. Its not like they are going Rambo though out the school all day long. They just have a gun for if and that's a big if its ever needed.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The problem with having an officer in the schools is the cost and these things are so random. It would be like putting a cop in every neighborhood. I'm not saying arm all teachers I'm talking a few that may elect to carry. That's only if the local schools and PTA's decide it is best for the school. People have to remember most cops go their intire career never firing their guns and the same would be the case for these teachers. Its not like they are going Rambo though out the school all day long. They just have a gun for if and that's a big if its ever needed.

You are correct in that it would cost more to the taxpayers, and that would be something the local society or society at large would have to decide whether it is justified. I worked at jewelry store during grad school and we sold certified Rolex watches. In order to be authorized to sell Rolexes they require you to have an armed guard at the facility at all times. IMO it is a touch ironic. I would be curious as I know they have looked into teachers carrying in Texas, how they are handling the liability insurance issues. I imagine it is very different from police unions. I don't belong to a union, but I imagine the dues would be higher.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I dont think teachers should have guns in the classroom, I dont think people should be visibly armed outside/patroling the halls either. But I would have no problem with a 1 security/resource officer certified, conceled permit to have access to a hidden firearm at a school. No problem at all with that. School budgets are tight, but if your serious about child safety and guns, then that area should have no problem with being taxed to pay for it.

But, teachers, administrators have no effing business having a gun in their desk. none

This makes much more sense than arming teachers.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

This makes much more sense than arming teachers.

Teachers and administrator have a tough enough job as is, and now burden them with the responsibility of a weapon and the security of their school?

Something's wrong with that picture, people need to step back and take in the whole issue.

Its great that some teacher volunteer say "hey i can do it," but those are not the teachers im worried about once the school makes a decision like this. Its the teacher there after who have no experience with a weapon, the teacher whose name is drawn out the hat to take on that responsibility, and the teacher who simply is not responsible enough to secure a weapon. These are the teachers where we hear about the next horror story.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Teachers and administrator have a tough enough job as is, and now burden them with the responsibility of a weapon and the security of their school?

Something's wrong with that picture, people need to step back and take in the whole issue.

Its great that some teacher volunteer say "hey i can do it," but those are not the teachers im worried about once the school makes a decision like this. Its the teacher there after who have no experience with a weapon, the teacher whose name is drawn out the hat to take on that responsibility, and the teacher who simply is not responsible enough to secure a weapon. These are the teachers where we hear about the next horror story.

Yeah I mean who else should be armed using this logic? Pilots? Movie theater ushers? F it let's just have everyone strapped. Wild wild west bitches.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah I mean who else should be armed using this logic? Pilots? Movie theater ushers? F it let's just have everyone strapped. Wild wild west bitches.

Well in this context of school and when your dealing with children, you'd think people would look harder and think longer about this than the average gun nut who just says arm everybody. But really from the gun lobby, its not surprising.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah I mean who else should be armed using this logic? Pilots? Movie theater ushers? F it let's just have everyone strapped. Wild wild west bitches.

To a point pilots are armed but with detection equipment and procedures to keep guns off planes in the first place.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I dont think teachers should have guns in the classroom, I dont think people should be visibly armed outside/patroling the halls either. But I would have no problem with a 1 security/resource officer certified, conceled permit to have access to a hidden firearm at a school. No problem at all with that. School budgets are tight, but if your serious about child safety and guns, then that area should have no problem with being taxed to pay for it.

But, teachers, administrators have no effing business having a gun in their desk. none

Well you wouldn't have a teacher with a gun sitting in her desk. There is no need to pay a cerdified security guard when you could have someone that's allready in the school doing the same thing. It does not have to be a teacher it could be another school employee that gets certified.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah I mean who else should be armed using this logic? Pilots? Movie theater ushers? F it let's just have everyone strapped. Wild wild west bitches.

Hilarious! Reminds me of that time someone mentioned having an intelligent debut.

Serious question: How would you go about ridding the world of weapons?

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Hilarious! Reminds me of that time someone mentioned having an intelligent debut.

Serious question: How would you go about ridding the world of weapons?

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I'm obviously joking around. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to see that... I hope. By the way along with intelligent debate I should have added respectful. KTHANXBAI.

Non serious answer to your question, more weapons, duh.