The Too Soon 2021 NFL Draft Thread

[AnonEmouse]

I'd almost suggest if Mac Jones was there at #19 then we trade back for more picks and go after someone like Mond in the 4th or maybe even 3rd round. To me the likes of Jones and Trask don't fit the mould of what we need/the NFL wants and we risk reaching if we take Jones at #19 or even think of trading up.

I'd take BPA and risk waiting another year to find our rookie QB, if we don't find a diamond lower down. Let the other teams scramble around with trades etc. to get 'their guy', while we build a team for a 3-4 year run, not all or nothing now. They'll use up picks on busts more like as not, while we get a draft full of prospects hopefully.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I'd almost suggest if Mac Jones was there at #19 then we trade back for more picks and go after someone like Mond in the 4th or maybe even 3rd round. To me the likes of Jones and Trask don't fit the mould of what we need/the NFL wants and we risk reaching if we take Jones at #19 or even think of trading up.

I'd take BPA and risk waiting another year to find our rookie QB, if we don't find a diamond lower down. Let the other teams scramble around with trades etc. to get 'their guy', while we build a team for a 3-4 year run, not all or nothing now. They'll use up picks on busts more like as not, while we get a draft full of prospects hopefully.

It's not likely that scenario will play out. If a team drafting after WFT really wants Mac Jones (Chicago, Pittsburgh, New Orleans), they will probably move up to get him before WFT has a chance to draft him. If Jones is there at #18, that is when the trade will occur - with Miami.

I am a fan of drafting a guy like Mond or Newman in round 4 or 5 though, if they like one of those guys.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

It's not likely that scenario will play out. If a team drafting after WFT really wants Mac Jones (Chicago, Pittsburgh, New Orleans), they will probably move up to get him before WFT has a chance to draft him. If Jones is there at #18, that is when the trade will occur - with Miami.

I am a fan of drafting a guy like Mond or Newman in round 4 or 5 though, if they like one of those guys.

Not so sure on Miami. I don't think Jones makes it past Patriots. Belicheat takes him in a heartbeat there, methinks.

From 10-18 picks, number of teams with QB solved, and also number of teams with starting QBs that could look to improve. How much do Vikes believe in Cousins? Niners in never-healthy Garrop? You really want him, other teams I mean, you need to trade up over other teams who also want him, so teams make sure they are moving up high enough to actually get him. I think there could be a lot of action to trade into 14 before Pats if Jones on board. Anywhere between 10 and 14. Also, keep in mind, mock draft Homers also often rank QBs different than pro scouts. Jones could easily be gone top-10.

I would favor taking him at #19 if there, but seriously doubt he will be. I think if you bring Jones in and give him massive reps in camp, he is immediately better year one than Smith or Allen, even a healthy Smith. Hein the X factor. Then ideally take Ramsey later in draft, and have Jones, Ramsey, Hein. THat'll never happen because Jones won't be there at 19 and RR will want a safety valve, a proven veteran with a known floor.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Scalper

Not so sure on Miami. I don't think Jones makes it past Patriots. Belicheat takes him in a heartbeat there, methinks.

From 10-18 picks, number of teams with QB solved, and also number of teams with starting QBs that could look to improve. How much do Vikes believe in Cousins? Niners in never-healthy Garrop? You really want him, other teams I mean, you need to trade up over other teams who also want him, so teams make sure they are moving up high enough to actually get him. I think there could be a lot of action to trade into 14 before Pats if Jones on board. Anywhere between 10 and 14. Also, keep in mind, mock draft Homers also often rank QBs different than pro scouts. Jones could easily be gone top-10.

I would favor taking him at #19 if there, but seriously doubt he will be. I think if you bring Jones in and give him massive reps in camp, he is immediately better year one than Smith or Allen, even a healthy Smith. Hein the X factor. Then ideally take Ramsey later in draft, and have Jones, Ramsey, Hein. THat'll never happen because Jones won't be there at 19 and RR will want a safety valve, a proven veteran with a known floor.

Yeah, I didn't say Jones wouldn't get taken before that. I'm just saying if he's still there at #18, that's a likely spot for a team in the 20s to move up to pick him.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I'd almost suggest if Mac Jones was there at #19 then we trade back for more picks and go after someone like Mond in the 4th or maybe even 3rd round. To me the likes of Jones and Trask don't fit the mould of what we need/the NFL wants and we risk reaching if we take Jones at #19 or even think of trading up.

I'd take BPA and risk waiting another year to find our rookie QB, if we don't find a diamond lower down. Let the other teams scramble around with trades etc. to get 'their guy', while we build a team for a 3-4 year run, not all or nothing now. They'll use up picks on busts more like as not, while we get a draft full of prospects hopefully.

You could argue that Jones needs more arm strength to be a legit franchise QB, not a small shortcoming, but some scouts argue his arm is strong enough. He checks all the other boxes. The "mould" of running QBs isn't what wins long term. Following the herd isn't usually wise.

I agree with long-term view, but we should be looking for a pocket passer, not a running QB. I think a fair rating of Jones is late 1st to perhaps late 2nd, so the question then becomes do you reach a bit for a potential franchise QB? Depends what the scouts say in their assessment. I don't think it matters. I think Jones is gone, long gone, by #19. I think pro scouts understand pocket passers are what win long term, for at least a half dozen teams at least, and one of them will pounce on Jones, especially outside the top-10 if he's still there. I think Jones is at minimum the 2nd best prospect in this QB class. He learns fast and knows pro-style offenses. He can come in right away and lead. He reminds me Peyton Manning, Brees, Brady, Eli Manning, etc., in his approach, style, and intangible.

People assuming you need a RB at QB are wrong, period. The QBs that enjoy long-term success in NFL are all pocket passers. I am not drafting any QB in the 1st round if they haven't succeeded in a pro-style system reading Ds. You do that, the bust rate decreases MASSIVELY. Again, exhibits A and B, RGIII and Haskins.

[skinsfaninok]

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...ey-senior-bowl

I like this kid

[Pervis_Griffith]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...ey-senior-bowl

I like this kid

His accuracy numbers are astounding. He could easily become a great one.

Or .... maybe not ...


It's def tricky!

[VTSkins1961]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...ey-senior-bowl

I like this kid

If he is there at 19 I''d take him. I might even trade up to get him. a pick and a player - it would really depend on how far we would have to trade up....

Another Option a need position and Trask in the 2nd round

[Pervis_Griffith]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...ey-senior-bowl

I like this kid

Come to think of it, you were pimping Tua hard last year too ....

Is it ALL Bama QB's? Or just those two?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Pervis_Griffith

Come to think of it, you were pimping Tua hard last year too ....

Is it ALL Bama QB's? Or just those two?

lmao U git me... I'm really Nick Saban

[AnonEmouse]

I'm not suggesting we need a running QB, but we need a mobile one. Unless we can rebuild the OL in one season (and being in mind Scherff might only be here 1 more year max), we need a guy who can extend passing plays, not just takes off running every time. A Mahomes/Wilson type, not Jackson.

OTOH if RR and Turner think they can scheme up protection improvements in the meantime, and ANYONE will be be more mobile than Smith (hell, a pot plant would be more mobile), then maybe Jones is a good answer if he can move around a bit. I'm just conscious of putting a static rookie back there and breaking him a la Burrow.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I'm not suggesting we need a running QB, but we need a mobile one. Unless we can rebuild the OL in one season (and being in mind Scherff might only be here 1 more year max), we need a guy who can extend passing plays, not just takes off running every time. A Mahomes/Wilson type, not Jackson.

OTOH if RR and Turner think they can scheme up protection improvements in the meantime, and ANYONE will be be more mobile than Smith (hell, a pot plant would be more mobile), then maybe Jones is a good answer if he can move around a bit. I'm just conscious of putting a static rookie back there and breaking him a la Burrow.

Your “pot plant” comment is out of bounds. This individual gave up his right leg playing for your team, and played heroically when pressed into emergency because we literally had no one else to play.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Your “pot plant” comment is out of bounds. This individual gave up his right leg playing for your team, and played heroically when pressed into emergency because we literally had no one else to play.

Do you only come on here to police people’s posts or do you ever actually have anything to say?

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Do you only come on here to police people’s posts or do you ever actually have anything to say?

Feel free to disagree with me regarding the potted plant comment. I thought it was an insult to a guy who literally gave his right leg to the franchise. As to the “policing” nonsense, to each their own.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Feel free to disagree with me regarding the potted plant comment. I thought it was an insult to a guy who literally gave his right leg to the franchise. As to the “policing” nonsense, to each their own.

Honestly man. Did you think Smith was mobile last year? At all? His last couple games were probably as immobile as a quarterback I have ever seen. Does he have courage to go out there? Uh huh. Did anyone say he didn’t? Nope. I just for the life of me do not see what you thought was out of bounds. I think Alex would be the first to admit he wasn’t able to move in the pocket. Was it because of a marijuana reference or just because he said he couldn’t move? Thats a serious question.