Skins @ Panthers gameday thread

NoCalHail · 11-23-2015, 03:02 PM

The thing about coaching is that it's more than X's & O's. Any and likely every scheme on offense is "designed to get players open" For as much as people complained about Kyle Shanahan, his offense got players open. McVay and Gruden's scheme "get players open" Unfortunately there is more to the big picture than someone being open on any given play.

To be quite honest, I liked Kyle Shanahan's offense a lot better than what we run now. I thought Kyle's biggest weakness was his actual playcalling within his own scheme. He often tried to get too cute when certain things were working, he'd go away from it for no reason. That could have been due to his youth/inexperience. However the scheme itself was very innovative and creative and was lacking the playmakers to make it really go. Just remember, during his tenure here Garcon was the #1 WR and Fred Davis was the tight end who was great when on his game but inconsistent and often injured. I tend to be one who thinks it was a shame he and his dad were hired to be on the same coaching staff because I think Kyle has a bright future in this league but was sacrificed when his daddy was fired.

Bucket · 11-23-2015, 03:10 PM

1 RB is out
2 RB fumbles once a game

You are down 2 possessions to a team who you can't stop on offense after halftime. You only had the ball for 21 snaps the first half.

Please continue to attempt to convince me that we abandoned the run game. The pass game and run game going hand in hand. You can't force the run game when you continue to put yourself in 2nd n 12 or 2nd n 11 down two possessions.

They didn't abandon the run. There just wasn't a running game. We had one last week. This is the development if a young inconsistent team with a below terrible Center.

Any team with a physical DT will continue to stuff our run game.

Skinzman · 11-23-2015, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

1 RB is out
2 RB fumbles once a game

You are down 2 possessions to a team who you can't stop on offense after halftime. You only had the ball for 21 snaps the first half.

Please continue to attempt to convince me that we abandoned the run game. The pass game and run game going hand in hand. You can't force the run game when you continue to put yourself in 2nd n 12 or 2nd n 11 down two possessions.

They didn't abandon the run. There just wasn't a running game. We had one last week. This is the development if a young inconsistent team with a below terrible Center.

Any team with a physical DT will continue to stuff our run game.

Its pretty common knowledge that running sweeps against Carolina is really stupid due to there team speed on defense. What run play did we do a lot of yesterday? sweeps. It was a bad game plan accentuated by bad play calling. When you had one successful play and then watch the coaching staff refuse to do it again and go with what even a pop warner coach knows are bad plays, at least attempt to have a good game plan. If it doesnt work, so be it, but dont come out against that defense and try to do everything that they are known to stop better than most.

Even if the run fails, just simply doing it still means you cant tee off on the passing game if you still run it. It also means play action still has a chance. And btw, when a team goes full out on rushing the passer and caring about nothing else, try a screen. They were just teeing off on us and Jay was calling plays that benefits a defense in tee off on the QB mode. Jay is so hit or miss in his play calling. You cant defend that, it was pathetic to watch. Jay called one of his worst games of the year yesterday and got locked into calling plays that were benefiting Carolina more than us.

Bucket · 11-23-2015, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinzman

Its pretty common knowledge that running sweeps against Carolina is really stupid due to there team speed on defense. What run play did we do a lot of yesterday? sweeps. It was a bad game plan accentuated by bad play calling. When you had one successful play and then watch the coaching staff refuse to do it again and go with what even a pop warner coach knows are bad plays, at least attempt to have a good game plan. If it doesnt work, so be it, but dont come out against that defense and try to do everything that they are known to stop better than most.

Even if the run fails, just simply doing it still means you cant tee off on the passing game if you still run it. It also means play action still has a chance. And btw, when a team goes full out on rushing the passer and caring about nothing else, try a screen. They were just teeing off on us and Jay was calling plays that benefits a defense in tee off on the QB mode. Jay is so hit or miss in his play calling. You cant defend that, it was pathetic to watch. Jay called one of his worst games of the year yesterday and got locked into calling plays that were benefiting Carolina more than us.

You also play to your strengths. That's all I say

30gut · 11-23-2015, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

1 RB is out
2 RB fumbles once a game

You are down 2 possessions to a team who you can't stop on offense after halftime. You only had the ball for 21 snaps the first half.

Please continue to attempt to convince me that we abandoned the run game. The pass game and run game going hand in hand. You can't force the run game when you continue to put yourself in 2nd n 12 or 2nd n 11 down two possessions.

They didn't abandon the run. There just wasn't a running game. We had one last week. This is the development if a young inconsistent team with a below terrible Center.

Any team with a physical DT will continue to stuff our run game.

In this game there were mitigating circumstances to be sure.

But every game there seems to be some excuse yet the gameplan and playcalling doesn't change (i.e. predictable base personnel run on 1st downs etc..) the only difference is the quality of our opponents. I think there is a word for doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

sdskinsfan2001 · 11-23-2015, 03:20 PM

I know it's not how teams draft but I honestly wouldn't mind spending all 7 picks on defense this year. Mainly need to be able to get at least either a lock down corner or an explosive edge pass rusher. Ideally both if we could strike perfectly in 1st 2 rounds.

We had no rush at all a large majority of the game. And I think Breeland and Culliver are more like great #2s than good #1s.

NoCalHail · 11-23-2015, 03:40 PM

Something I'd like to know is why the tackling on the defense is so bad. Our scheme itself doesn't seem bad as we seem to constantly have defenders in the backfield on running plays in position to stop a play for negative yardage, yet it ends up in a 5 yard gain.

To me, if the players are in position to make plays then the coaches are scheme-wise doing something correct. Is it lack of effort? Attitude? Etc etc etc......I have never seen so many missed opportunities game in and game out to see plays made that can make a huge difference.

over the mountain · 11-23-2015, 03:46 PM

https://twitter.com/PhilthyDC/status/668847563123085312

GIF of sack yesterday where Trent doesnt even get out of his stance bc LeRib snapped the ball on the wrong count. Actually, nobody gets out of their stance, everyone except Trent just reacted quicker. Looks like Cousins hard count fooled him.

LeRib has to go at this point. Looking froward to listening to grudens presser. he doesnt bash specific players any more ... but i want him to show some frustration here.

Who was our backup center entering the regular season? if it was LeRib, Scot screwed up relying on a guard who never played center and was mostly off our 53 last year.

calia · 11-23-2015, 03:51 PM

I wonder if de la Puenta replaces him on Sunday. It's isn't as though these mistakes are made up for by superior blocking, especially as to the run. We really need a serious upgrade at this position for McLovin' to have the smashmouth team in the trenches he wants. The good news is that the rest of the O-line is in decent shape.

CRedskinsRule · 11-23-2015, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by over the mountain

https://twitter.com/PhilthyDC/status/668847563123085312

GIF of sack yesterday where Trent doesnt even get out of his stance bc LeRib snapped the ball on the wrong count. Actually, nobody gets out of their stance, everyone except Trent just reacted quicker. Looks like Cousins hard count fooled him.

LeRib has to go at this point. Looking froward to listening to grudens presser. he doesnt bash specific players any more ... but i want him to show some frustration here.

Who was our backup center entering the regular season? if it was LeRib, Scot screwed up relying on a guard who never played center and was mostly off our 53 last year.

wow... that GIF is pretty bad. Offensive line isn't supposed to be reacting to the D-line getting off the snap. That was just brutal.

CrustyRedskin · 11-23-2015, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by over the mountain

https://twitter.com/PhilthyDC/status/668847563123085312

GIF of sack yesterday where Trent doesnt even get out of his stance bc LeRib snapped the ball on the wrong count. Actually, nobody gets out of their stance, everyone except Trent just reacted quicker. Looks like Cousins hard count fooled him.

LeRib has to go at this point. Looking froward to listening to grudens presser. he doesnt bash specific players any more ... but i want him to show some frustration here.

Who was our backup center entering the regular season? if it was LeRib, Scot screwed up relying on a guard who never played center and was mostly off our 53 last year.

The most I got out of the gif is that I miss funny Dannys Redskin videos, havn't seen any posted in a while. But as far as the offensive f-up. Meh just Redskin football.

calia · 11-23-2015, 05:02 PM

Look, the reality is that we haven't beaten a quality team this year. The Bucs, Eagles, Rams, and Saints aren't particularly strong (the Bucs are probably the best of that lot, and we needed to stage our biggest comeback in history to win that one). Until we beat a quality team, no one will ever mistake us for one.

skinsfan69 · 11-23-2015, 05:06 PM

Jordan Reed hurt again. Shocker.

Chico23231 · 11-23-2015, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Jordan Reed hurt again. Shocker.

If Delani Walker gets cut this offseason, hopefully mcC can get first in line for that dude on a 1-2 year deal.

rocnrik · 11-23-2015, 07:00 PM

I understand the concept of protecting the players but the officials have in my opinion taken over the sport to the point that if something is not done the NFL is going to start a decline. After Every good play before i get excited i have to wait to see if flag is thrown..its almost like i would rather DVR the game and have a app that deletes all the bogus calls just like commercials are skipped just to enjoy the game. When Roberts returned the kickoff for td i didn't even get excited because i just knew a flag had been thrown. the play on culliver was a game changer and if that had stood i really believe we would have been competitive instead of blowout. If this continues I will no longer watch the NFL ..I have been a redskin fan since 1969 and watched every game either tv,recorded same day,live or radio..so i am not some casual fan . The officials are at best bad and they are being told how to call games by the league who's track record is not so good of late..All I can say is if the Redskins had committed all the infractions that the Patriots had we would not have a first round pick the next 5 years..it does seem the league has it in for the Redskins..if they really want to protect the players the rule should be IF a offense player makes a aggressive move with helmet or does not try to avoid helmet to helmet then they there is penalty..either that or all plays can be reviewed by upstairs official that actually understands the rule..that culliver call would have been overruled..you think They make that call in the Super Bowl? the officials should be held to a tighter standard and replays must be used on all plays that impact the game.they say replays are used on all scoring plays right? we scored and where was the review? The redskins gave up after that. the officials took over what could have been a tight game.

11-23-2015, 03:20 PM	#6
sdskinsfan2001 Living Legend Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hanahan, South Carolina Age: 42 Posts: 20,616	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread I know it's not how teams draft but I honestly wouldn't mind spending all 7 picks on defense this year. Mainly need to be able to get at least either a lock down corner or an explosive edge pass rusher. Ideally both if we could strike perfectly in 1st 2 rounds. We had no rush at all a large majority of the game. And I think Breeland and Culliver are more like great #2s than good #1s. __________________ "You can be my wingman anytime." "Bulls**t. You can be mine."

11-23-2015, 03:40 PM	#7
NoCalHail Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 368	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread Something I'd like to know is why the tackling on the defense is so bad. Our scheme itself doesn't seem bad as we seem to constantly have defenders in the backfield on running plays in position to stop a play for negative yardage, yet it ends up in a 5 yard gain. To me, if the players are in position to make plays then the coaches are scheme-wise doing something correct. Is it lack of effort? Attitude? Etc etc etc......I have never seen so many missed opportunities game in and game out to see plays made that can make a huge difference.

11-23-2015, 03:46 PM	#8
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread https://twitter.com/PhilthyDC/status/668847563123085312 GIF of sack yesterday where Trent doesnt even get out of his stance bc LeRib snapped the ball on the wrong count. Actually, nobody gets out of their stance, everyone except Trent just reacted quicker. Looks like Cousins hard count fooled him. LeRib has to go at this point. Looking froward to listening to grudens presser. he doesnt bash specific players any more ... but i want him to show some frustration here. Who was our backup center entering the regular season? if it was LeRib, Scot screwed up relying on a guard who never played center and was mostly off our 53 last year. __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

11-23-2015, 03:51 PM	#9
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 57 Posts: 3,756	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread I wonder if de la Puenta replaces him on Sunday. It's isn't as though these mistakes are made up for by superior blocking, especially as to the run. We really need a serious upgrade at this position for McLovin' to have the smashmouth team in the trenches he wants. The good news is that the rest of the O-line is in decent shape. __________________ "Coach, what do you think of your team's execution?" "I'm all for it." -- Coach McKay

11-23-2015, 05:02 PM	#12
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 57 Posts: 3,756	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread Look, the reality is that we haven't beaten a quality team this year. The Bucs, Eagles, Rams, and Saints aren't particularly strong (the Bucs are probably the best of that lot, and we needed to stage our biggest comeback in history to win that one). Until we beat a quality team, no one will ever mistake us for one. __________________ "Coach, what do you think of your team's execution?" "I'm all for it." -- Coach McKay

11-23-2015, 03:02 PM	#1
NoCalHail Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 368	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread The thing about coaching is that it's more than X's & O's. Any and likely every scheme on offense is "designed to get players open" For as much as people complained about Kyle Shanahan, his offense got players open. McVay and Gruden's scheme "get players open" Unfortunately there is more to the big picture than someone being open on any given play. To be quite honest, I liked Kyle Shanahan's offense a lot better than what we run now. I thought Kyle's biggest weakness was his actual playcalling within his own scheme. He often tried to get too cute when certain things were working, he'd go away from it for no reason. That could have been due to his youth/inexperience. However the scheme itself was very innovative and creative and was lacking the playmakers to make it really go. Just remember, during his tenure here Garcon was the #1 WR and Fred Davis was the tight end who was great when on his game but inconsistent and often injured. I tend to be one who thinks it was a shame he and his dad were hired to be on the same coaching staff because I think Kyle has a bright future in this league but was sacrificed when his daddy was fired.

11-23-2015, 03:10 PM	#2
Bucket Playmaker Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Martinsburg, WV Posts: 3,881	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread 1 RB is out 2 RB fumbles once a game You are down 2 possessions to a team who you can't stop on offense after halftime. You only had the ball for 21 snaps the first half. Please continue to attempt to convince me that we abandoned the run game. The pass game and run game going hand in hand. You can't force the run game when you continue to put yourself in 2nd n 12 or 2nd n 11 down two possessions. They didn't abandon the run. There just wasn't a running game. We had one last week. This is the development if a young inconsistent team with a below terrible Center. Any team with a physical DT will continue to stuff our run game. __________________ I need something to cheer about Redskin Fan since '88 Be friends on Twitter! @thecasualhero

11-23-2015, 05:06 PM	#13
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,453	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread Jordan Reed hurt again. Shocker.

11-23-2015, 07:00 PM	#15
rocnrik Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,789	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread I understand the concept of protecting the players but the officials have in my opinion taken over the sport to the point that if something is not done the NFL is going to start a decline. After Every good play before i get excited i have to wait to see if flag is thrown..its almost like i would rather DVR the game and have a app that deletes all the bogus calls just like commercials are skipped just to enjoy the game. When Roberts returned the kickoff for td i didn't even get excited because i just knew a flag had been thrown. the play on culliver was a game changer and if that had stood i really believe we would have been competitive instead of blowout. If this continues I will no longer watch the NFL ..I have been a redskin fan since 1969 and watched every game either tv,recorded same day,live or radio..so i am not some casual fan . The officials are at best bad and they are being told how to call games by the league who's track record is not so good of late..All I can say is if the Redskins had committed all the infractions that the Patriots had we would not have a first round pick the next 5 years..it does seem the league has it in for the Redskins..if they really want to protect the players the rule should be IF a offense player makes a aggressive move with helmet or does not try to avoid helmet to helmet then they there is penalty..either that or all plays can be reviewed by upstairs official that actually understands the rule..that culliver call would have been overruled..you think They make that call in the Super Bowl? the officials should be held to a tighter standard and replays must be used on all plays that impact the game.they say replays are used on all scoring plays right? we scored and where was the review? The redskins gave up after that. the officials took over what could have been a tight game.

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