Week 15: Redskins vs Cowboys Gameday thread

[drew54]

I would like to see us trade down(hopefully adding a 3rd rounder) to where ever Locker is slated and grab a few bull rushing DE/DT types in the 2nd/3rd rounds. Someone like Christian Ballard from Iowa(homer pick).

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Big C

i could counter and say who was the last 1st round qb that we drafted to make it? jason campbell? patrick ramsey? heath schuler? we havent done a good job at all at drafting qbs high the few times we have.

my basic point is that id rather draft a different position in the first round and get a guy to develop behind whoever our starter is, whether it be in the second round or later. im really not sold on anyone but luck as an elite qb this year, and hes only a redshirt sophomore this year.

And my counter point is to look at where the top QB's in the league were drafted. Phillip Rivers, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning , Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Rothelisberger, Eli Manning, Josh Freeman, Mike Vick. Even our very own Donovan McNabb was a first rounder

You think the first round hit rate is bad yet you completely ignore what is virtually a 0% hit rate of second round QB's over the past decade. Kellen Clemons, Tarvaris Jackson, John Beck, Drew Stanton, Brian Brohm, Chad Henne, Kevin Kolb, Pat White, Jimmy Clausen, Quincy Carter, Marques Tuiasosopo.

Out of that group Kolb is the only one on track to have a productive career. Clausen might turn into something but chances are he won't. These are the type of guys you find in the second round. (As I pointed out before Brees was selected 32nd overall which today is a 1st round pick, which in turn is moot for anyone lobbying to draft a QB in the second round in 2011, and by the way Brees sucked until 2004 which ironically was the same year the Chargers said enough and drafted Phillip Rivers).

[skinsfaninok]

^ good post DB, what's your take on a QB in the 1st? Honestly I'm not really convinced on this class of signal callers.. If newton is there do we take him? Or do we look at a QB in FA or trade? Alot of options right now

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

^ good post DB, what's your take on a QB in the 1st? Honestly I'm not really convinced on this class of signal callers.. If newton is there do we take him? Or do we look at a QB in FA or trade? Alot of options right now

I have my doubts about Locker. However as Tripp pointed out to me earlier in the week Locker is very similar to Jay Cutler coming out of Vanderbilt. A physically talented signal caller with a terrible supporting cast, only real difference is that Locker has great straight line speed. Personally I think this is the guy they're targeting. Shanahan liked him a lot last year (almost as much as Bradford) and this was when Locker would have been all but guaranteed to be the top pick in the draft.

Mallet to me seems like a safer pick and reminds me a lot of Matt Schuab which given Kyle Shanahan's experience in Houston can only be a good thing. However that lack of mobility in an offense where bootlegs are a staple kind of worries me. My other concern is that with Luck all but certain to stay another year that he could get picked before we go on the clock. It's not that I'm dead set on having Mallet but I would like to have options. Either way I'm impressed. He did a good job of continuing his development as a passer

Newton is my least favorite as he comes from a spread option offense. I've personally described him as Tim Tebow with a smooth delivery. He also doesn't seem to have the best head on his shoulders. The guy was kicked out of Florida for steeling laptops and the only thing I know about his support structure is he has a father that put his sons eligibility and college education on the line by asking schools for money. I mean if thats the father then what does the rest of his support group look like? Basically he's the last person I want to give millions of dollars to.

On top of that he runs to much for my liking. His passing numbers are efficent but when you rely on your legs to the tune of a 1,000 yards rushing I'm inclined to doubt how well you can throw the ball at the next level.

My only real stake in Newton is having him as a buffer that helps insure the Skins get to pick between Mallet and Locker.

Luck is a pipe dream whenever he comes out. The best we can hope for as it relates to Luck is that he ends up in the AFC because come playoff time he's one of the last QB's I want to see.

[Longtimefan]

Saying this defense is an embarrassment is truly an understatement. Most of the talk following the game has been centered around the play of Rex Grossman, and based on his performance [minus the turnovers] was remarkable considering his limited playing time since 2008. Four TD passes, 322 yds.....numbers that should on most Sunday's produce a win, left the team just short once again.

This team needs more of a fix on defense than any other part. The offense demonstrated yesterday that it's major deficiency this season has been it's signal caller. Granted, Grossman's performance came against the 25th ranked defense in the league, there was still a fluidity to the offense not witnessed before.

Redskins vs. Cowboys: For amount of yards given up, team has no defense

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I have my doubts about Locker. However as Tripp pointed out to me earlier in the week Locker is very similar to Jay Cutler coming out of Vanderbilt. A physically talented signal caller with a terrible supporting cast, only real difference is that Locker has great straight line speed. Personally I think this is the guy they're targeting. Shanahan liked him a lot last year (almost as much as Bradford) and this was when Locker would have been all but guaranteed to be the top pick in the draft.

Mallet to me seems like a safer pick and reminds me a lot of Matt Schuab which given Kyle Shanahan's experience in Houston can only be a good thing. However that lack of mobility in an offense where bootlegs are a staple kind of worries me. My other concern is that with Luck all but certain to stay another year that he could get picked before we go on the clock. It's not that I'm dead set on having Mallet but I would like to have options. Either way I'm impressed. He did a good job of continuing his development as a passer

Newton is my least favorite as he comes from a spread option offense. I've personally described him as Tim Tebow with a smooth delivery. He also doesn't seem to have the best head on his shoulders. The guy was kicked out of Florida for steeling laptops and the only thing I know about his support structure is he has a father that put his sons eligibility and college education on the line by asking schools for money. I mean if thats the father then what does the rest of his support group look like? Basically he's the last person I want to give millions of dollars to.

On top of that he runs to much for my liking. His passing numbers are efficent but when you rely on your legs to the tune of a 1,000 yards rushing I'm inclined to doubt how well you can throw the ball at the next level.

My only real stake in Newton is having him as a buffer that helps insure the Skins get to pick between Mallet and Locker.

Luck is a pipe dream whenever he comes out. The best we can hope for as it relates to Luck is that he ends up in the AFC because come playoff time he's one of the last QB's I want to see.

Good points, but lets not forget that Newton was the nations number one rated passer. He also threw for 29 touchdowns. Doing that against the competition he faced week in and week out is quite impressive.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

Good points, but lets not forget that Newton was the nations number one rated passer. He also threw for 29 touchdowns. Doing that against the competition he faced week in and week out is quite impressive.

He really looks unstoppable, I look forward to the nat'l championship game. If he has a big game his stock may rise like V. Young when they beat USC. At the same time, I'm sure some teams will remember the V. Young hype & proceed w/caution.

Newton has the form & touch of an nfl passer, much more so than Young did in college. If he didn't have the personal issues, I think at this point he would be in the discussion for best player in the draft.

[mooby]

I don't think Luck is going pro this season from his comments, it sounds like he wants to stay in school for one more season. I won't be disappointed if he doesn't, I don't think we would've had a shot at him anyways.

As for wideout, I don't think we're as bad off as people believe. AA has 40 catches for 772 yards this season, which is probably more production than we've had at the #2 wideout spot in a while. Those are CC type numbers, which makes the fact that Cooley is still putting up good numbers even better, because for a while Moss and Cooley have been our top two options in the offense. Going into next season, I think our focus needs to be on the offensive line, getting a qb in the draft, and the defense. I don't get what people want more from Moss. I know his drop at the end of the game yesterday probably cost us bigtime, but more often than not he makes those catches.

I like what Rex did yesterday but you can't discount the turnovers. I won't include the pick at the end of the game, but his first pick and his fumble directly lead to 14 Dallas points. I know Rex did great throwing 4 td passes but since two of his turnovers lead to 14 Dallas points 2 of those touchdown passes didn't mean anything. I loved the game he played today except for the sacks and turnovers, and he def. proved the coaches right in benching McNabb. Sucks for McNabb now too because now people aren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt, when this came out practically everybody was on his side.

[SmootSmack]

I'm not happy we lost but I was pretty pleased with the way we played overall. Pleased enough to do something i never do the morning after a loss, and that's watch ESPN. I always avoid watching because I'd like a day without reminders that we lost and other guys won, but today I don't mind as much.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not happy we lost but I was pretty pleased with the way we played overall. Pleased enough to do something i never do the morning after a loss, and that's watch ESPN. I always avoid watching because I'd like a day without reminders that we lost and other guys won, but today I don't mind as much.

I'll take a loss like the Skins anyday .The team played and came around,everyone gave effort and although it wasn't a win I beleive your team turned a corner .The Giants don't deserve to make the playoffs.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I'll take a loss like the Skins anyday .The team played and came around,everyone gave effort and although it wasn't a win I beleive your team turned a corner .The Giants don't deserve to make the playoffs.

Well in the Giants defense they played well for 3 quarters, it's just the Eagles finally got wise to how your defense was playing and adjusted. As soon as the Eagles adjusted the Giants d should've adjusted accordingly, but they didn't, and you guys lost. That's not to say Vick couldn't have beaten you if you backed off the blitzes a bit and played more coverage, but hey, hindsight is 20/20.

And it doesn't help that your rookie punter kicked a really poor punt at the end of the game that one of the most dangerous punt returners in the game took back to the house. I wouldn't be suprised if he's cut tomorrow. That was just a dumb mistake not punting it out of bounds, and on top of that, it had poor hang time and it was a line drive. That's like a recipe for a punt return touchdown.

As for the Skins, as soon as Moss dropped the pass, I was sittin there thinking, man I hope we don't regret that later. 2 huge sacks and almost 20 yards lost later, I was like, if they end up with a short field it doesn't bode well for our chances. 20 yards gained by the Cowboys later after starting near the 50, I was like, our chances are slimming by the second. Overall though this loss was much easier to take, when we were down 27-7 I thought things were pretty grim but Grossman and the offense showed some big time resolve in coming back to tie the game.

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by mooby

As for the Skins, as soon as Moss dropped the pass, I was sittin there thinking, man I hope we don't regret that later. 2 huge sacks and almost 20 yards lost later, I was like, if they end up with a short field it doesn't bode well for our chances. 20 yards gained by the Cowboys later after starting near the 50, I was like, our chances are slimming by the second. Overall though this loss was much easier to take, when we were down 27-7 I thought things were pretty grim but Grossman and the offense showed some big time resolve in coming back to tie the game.

Agree, I know I shouldnt care about being "IN" a game but I do, after the recent pathetic efforts this team has put out, it was nice to see us dominating someone for a few quarters, even if we did lose in the end.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Well in the Giants defense they played well for 3 quarters,.

Sorry I must correct you,they played well for ....53 mins.....but as they are learning this morning the game is 60 mins long.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Sorry I must correct you,they played well for ....53 mins.....but as they are learning this morning the game is 60 mins long.

Was it really that the Giants caved or that MV just decided to run more? This game reminds me of our Dallas game (Brunell to Moss twice game) except this game was early and everyone was still up to see the ending.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Sorry I must correct you,they played well for ....53 mins.....but as they are learning this morning the game is 60 mins long.

Goodcall, I forgot the meltdown started with about 7 minutes left. And for some reason players forgetting the game is 60 minutes is a recurring theme over the years, I remember a certain Cowboys team playing a dominating game for 55 minutes back in 2005, and then two Santana Moss bombs later they lost the game, and that game turned into a catalyst for our season lol. Sucks for you guys but as Redskins fans we know all about historic days against the Redskins in recent seasons.