Trouble in Redskins Park?

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by metalskins

So other than the three pick ups by Allen, name us all of the great pick ups Allen has been responsible for in his career as a GM, and compare it to all of the pick ups that McCloughan has been responsible for during his career in the NFL. You're judging by a couple years, the rest of us are judging by the body of work in a career.

I never said Allen did a good job. And everything Scot did anywhere else is irrelevant. Donovan McNabb was a decent QB before he came to Washington. (horrible trade)

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

Last year's draft was terrible. Doctson was going to get minimal playing time if he was healthy. Cravens, there are lots of questions about... position ? Fuller meh. Matt I ? not much there.

Giving Scot credit for the O-line is quite a stretch. He drafted Scherff as a tackle. He is the only guard picked in the top 5 in a long time ...over 10 years. There are pro-bowl guards picked later in the draft. They could not run the ball on 3rd and short behind the great O-line or in the red zone.

The list of free agent busts is much longer than the three you mentioned.

And winning a very weak division is setting the bar very low.

I didn't mention the free agent wins either. Like I said before, Division title previous year clearly had Scott stamp on it. Back to back winning seasons? Id say we are moving in a better direction at a quicker pace than previously expected.

Very Weak division? I saw a lot of improvement outside of the Eagles. Giants, Cowboys and us...we aren't easy outs when teams outside the division played us.

Think we need to pump the brakes a lil bit. The offseason is long, but starting with it crushing McC...that's a lil reckless. Lets save the crazy til early Summer at least.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I didn't mention the free agent wins either. .

we are waiting

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

I do not understand the love for Scot..... the only great pick was Crowder

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Scherff was a great pick, I dunno about taking a guard that high but he's a dominant player.

Most of the other picks are still in wait and see mode, you can't definitively judge either class yet

P.s. Austin Reiter as a 7th rounder played well for the Browns this season. Good pick, just a victim of numbers here. Also Kyshoen Jarrett was another good late round pick if not for an unfortunate injury

[TheMalcolmConnection]

It's weird. Scot can find absolute GEMS when someone gets hurt, but when it's planned, they've definitely been busts. Again, I love me some Scot, but he loves that 49ers/Seahawks connection and sometimes that isn't the best way to go. I can't ignore that this team has vastly improved since he got here, so he gets another 1-2 years from me before I start questioning. I strongly believe if Doctson had stayed healthy we would have been in the playoffs and he would have been a huge contributor. We have red zone woes and he would have helped a LOT. Sure, could we have taken a DT/DE in that spot, but how much of a difference would that one person have really made?

[Evilgrin]

Professional Organizations don't need to gag people, because they act like Pro's. I don't know if it's true or not, but if it is it's not a good sign. Can't we just hand off the title of being a mess to the Knicks for good.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Professional Organizations don't need to gag people, because they act like Pro's. I don't know if it's true or not, but if it is it's not a good sign. Can't we just hand off the title of being a mess to the Knicks for good.

I would argue this point. Many Professional Organizations work to have one voice, and one message. At my work, we are always told, if the media contacts us, we need to redirect them to the head of the marketing department. Bruce is the president of the team and it is his responsibility to make sure there is one message. If the contract with Kirk goes sideways, the last thing they want is Jay, Scot, and Bruce telling the media their side of the situation. Do you think the Patriots or Steelers allow everybody in the organization to address the media?

Finally, i take very little from Mike Jones. I am not in the DC area, but most of the things i read from him are negative towards the team. Look back to November, when he implied Colt could do as well as Kirk. It is a slow time and he needs to fill is weekly article quota.

[Bangee7]

All of this commotion about Scott not talking.

All he said last year during this time is that he was "looking for football players".

You guys really that hard up to hear that again?

I think this organization is better off because of Bruce and Scott.

This is just off season drama because there's nothing other than Kirk to talk about.

HTTR

[diehardskin2982]

Egos are out of control at Redskins park. Been that way for a while.

[DYoungJelly]

I will reserve judgment for a while for the following reasons. 2 Pro McLovin and 1 against.

I would like to see how it all plays out before lopping heads.

1. It takes at least 3 years to judge a draft class.

2. I don't think any of the free agent busts were intended as anything other than a low risk low money bandaid.

3. A handful of very negative public comments has come out from the organization (All the folks in the know guessed McLovin) about Kirk. Being a stat accumulator at the beginning of the season and the Jason Cole Bleacher report article. These came out at a time when Kirk should be wooed like a 5 star recruit at a shady S.E.C. school.

I don't have an issue with McLovin being kept out of the media after putting his foot in his mouth over Kirk.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I don't have an issue with McLovin being kept out of the media after putting his foot in his mouth over Kirk.

Exactly. A lot of what SM said might have been true but there was no need to say it to anyone, let alone in front of a camera. I would much rather wonder what is going on in Redskins Park instead of reading all the details a week in advance on Vinnyleaks.

**edit** tacking this on here as I think this is the right thread......

WTF happened to patience for a rebuild? If we had gone 6-10 then 9-6-1 I dont think there would be all of the BS. Honestly if I take a serious look at where the skins are, I am happy with the progress. We just need to stick with a plan and be patient. We have sucked since '91 who cares about another year or two of solidifying the roster and winning about as much as we lose? Heh, that would still be the best record across 5 years since Gibbs I. By far. Go Caps and get me another beer while your up please.

[Chico23231]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.584421aa71ba

"Chris Cooley speculates on-air about Scot McCloughan: ‘Is he drinking?’"


oh boy...here we go.

someone knock Cooley the eff out...

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.584421aa71ba

"Chris Cooley speculates on-air about Scot McCloughan: ‘Is he drinking?’"


oh boy...here we go.

someone knock Cooley the eff out...

Here we go indeed. Based off his past history it might be reasonable to think that, but the article clearly states Cooley has nothing to go off of so he's clearly guessing on this one. And that's not a good thing considering he works for the team and has insiders. People might assume because of his connections that there could be some weight behind this. And yes, there could be some weight behind this, but you have nothing to go off of so it's not fair to McC to do that.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.584421aa71ba

"Chris Cooley speculates on-air about Scot McCloughan: ‘Is he drinking?’"


oh boy...here we go.

someone knock Cooley the eff out...

I am sorry but that is the first thing i thought about. Call me an ass but that is the first place my mind went.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.584421aa71ba

"Chris Cooley speculates on-air about Scot McCloughan: ‘Is he drinking?’"


oh boy...here we go.

someone knock Cooley the eff out...

I really, hate to say it, but that was the first thing I thought about when I first heard about this issue. And unfortunately, it makes a lot of sense. If your putting the gag on the GM and telling him to straighten up and keep his attention on player personnel, it sound exactly like Allen noticed SM not being in a condition to talk to the media.

I hope I'm wrong, but it does make sense.