All Things Offensive Line: 2011 Edition

[CrustyRedskin]

Jarvis Jenkins wtf?
YouTube - Jarvis Jenkins vs. Georgia Tech ('09)
Should have picked #71 for GT downblockin on is arse,

[musicmaster45]

We need MATT LIGHT!!!!

[diehard]

Heyer played great at guard.

[SBXVII]

I found the "Redskins are front runners for VY" line to be offensive.

[Monkeydad]

Roster analysis: Offensive line - The Insider - The Washington Post

Coaches have valued the leadership Rabach provides, but he wasn’t as effective last year while playing through several injuries. He needed shoulder surgery this offseason. Montgomery and Lichtensteiger both are natural centers, but saw significant time at the right and left guard positions, respectively. Hicks can play guard or tackle. He began last season at right guard, but was slowed by groin and thigh injuries. He lost his job to Montgomery and never regained it once healthy.

I think both Montgomery and Lichtensteiger should be competing for the Center position. They're both Centers playing Guard and would be more effective in the middle.

Goodbye Casey. Thanks for the effort over the years.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Roster analysis: Offensive line - The Insider - The Washington Post



I think both Montgomery and Lichtensteiger should be competing for the Center position. They're both Centers playing Guard and would be more effective in the middle.

Goodbye Casey. Thanks for the effort over the years.

LT - Williams
LG - Kory L
C - Montgomery
RG - BMW
RT - Brown or Harirs.

[30gut]

LT-Trent Williams
LG-Corey Lichtensteiger
C-?? Samson Satele
RG-Will Montgomery
RT-?? Matt Light

or

LT-Trent Williams
OG-Corey Lichtenstieger
C-Will Monty
OG-??Logan Mankins/Davin Joseph
OT-??Matt Light

Logan Mankins New England Patriots UFA OG
Samson Satele Oakland Raiders UFA C
Kasey Studdard Houston Texans UFA OG
Davin Joseph Tampa Bay Buccaneers UFA OG



Matt Light New England Patriots UFA OT
Ryan Harris Broncos UFA OT
Jamaal Brown

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Roster analysis: Offensive line - The Insider - The Washington Post



I think both Montgomery and Lichtensteiger should be competing for the Center position. They're both Centers playing Guard and would be more effective in the middle.

Goodbye Casey. Thanks for the effort over the years.

Agreed fully

[SmootSmack]

Well I thought Kory L. would be our starter C by some point last season. This season I think it will be a pretty open competition.

As I'd last heard it, the plan isn't for Big Mike to start. Even though they'd like him back

The guy I really wonder about is Hicks. I think he was pretty much a disaster of a FA pick, but I haven't heard that he won't be back

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I thought Kory L. would be our starter C by some point last season. This season I think it will be a pretty open competition.

As I'd last heard it, the plan isn't for Big Mike to start. Even though they'd like him back

The guy I really wonder about is Hicks. I think he was pretty much a disaster of a FA pick, but I haven't heard that he won't be back

To be fair, when we talk about a plan to have next year's first overall pick, Casey Rabach's proven veteran leadership is an invaluable tool to accomplish our goals this season.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

To be fair, when we talk about a plan to have next year's first overall pick, Casey Rabach's proven veteran leadership is an invaluable tool to accomplish our goals this season.

Why the hatin' on Casey "Turnstile" Rabach. I'm not sure if turnstile is appropriate though, to be fair to the turnstile, it only lets one person through at a time.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Many questions remain about the Redskins most scrutinized unit. Among them what do the Redskins do after drafting only one offensive lineman in 7th round pick Maurice Hurt?

The unit seemed to perform much better in the second half of the season but still left room for concern.

The Skins have frequently been linked to Davin Joseph and Ryan Harris. However 2010 rules put both at risk to remain RFA's. To make matters worse the Buc's are also rumored to have made signing Joseph to a long term contract a priority.

Further complicating matters is Jammal Brown. The All-Pro tackle that struggled in the first half of the season after dealing with a hip injury that was aggravated by the fact that he was playing on the Right Side. However Brown also seemed to be his old self near the end of the year and was easily one of the Skins favorite blockers to run behind once he recovered.

Brown is rumored to want to play Left Tackle else where and in a free agent market that could easily be devoid of talent a player of Brown's caliber will stand out.

Also how are the young developmental projects in Cook and Capers coming? Have the coaching staff seen enough promise in either of them to justify using only one of 12 picks on an offensive lineman?

Finally how do the Redskins deal with the black sheep of the unit in Rabach and Heyer? Heyer seemed to improve by leaps and bounds over his 2009 performance and looks to be a valuable asset as a swing tackle. Rabach on the other hand did little to silence critics that claim he is a liability when it comes to other teams trying to get a push up the middle. The team has already cut ties with long time Redskin Derrick Dockery and possibly split over weather or not to keep Artis Hicks.

Either way much remains to be answered about the teams current state of affairs up front.

Dirtbag59's Projected Opening day line up as of 5/4/2011
LT - Williams - Heyer
LG - Kory L
C - Rabach - Cook
RG - Montgomery - Capers
RT - Brown/Harris? - Xavier Fulton

On a positive note, the one offensive lineman we did draft was from the SEC, you have to feel good about that.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I want the Redskins to start all of their young O-Linemen. Bye Bye Rabach, Hicks, etc. If John Beck is going to be our starting QB we might as well find out if our young linemen can play.

LT - Williams
LG - Lichtensteiger
C- Montgomery
RG - Cook (they said he is too tall to play center)
RT - Capers

[diehard]

In the draft, where did all the OL go?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by diehard

In the draft, where did all the OL go?

Looking back at the draft I find myself wondering if we should have taken Stehpen Wisenski over Jarvis Jenkins. However doing so would violate my priorities for building a team (1. QB 2. DL 3. OL 4. RB 5. LB 6. DB. 7. WR/TE).

Round 3 we really did need a receiver and Hankerson was clearly a steal so I have no problem with not drafting an OL. Clint Boling was the only good lineman available, and certainly would have been a nice find here, but even I had to concede that Hankerson was clearly the better choice.

Looking back at Round 4 I didn't really see any zone lineman selected and it's hard not to love a guy with gamebreaking speed like Helu in a Shanahan offense.

Round 5, Gomes. Don't really know what to think of him. My impression as of right now is a Chris Horton clone which seems to be a waste as we already have Horton and Doughty. How I feel about this pick will depend on how well he can live up to his versatile label meaning Nickleback, SS, FS, and Special Teams.

Niles Paul, don't like the pick. He seems like Devin Thomas lite. All the physical tools, slightly worse character, none of the production.

Still in Round 5 the only lineman selected were Marcus Cannon to NE (T/G TCU), Jason Pinkson to Cle (T Pitt), Julian Vandervelde to Phi (G, Iowa), Kilgore to SF (G, App State). Out of those guys Cannon was the only value pick and he was gone before Gomes. Vandervelde would have fit well in a zone scheme but might have been a reach. The other guys are specifically poor fits for zone schemes.

Now in looking at the 6th round the Niles Paul pick from the 5th should have been used on DeMarcus Love. A versitle player that had to play both RT and LT on a regular basis in Petrino's strong weak offense. Love was considered a first round pick at one point but dropped when he was put under the microscope. Reports say he has all the physical tools but is inconsistent when it comes to footwork. I guess they really like Oldenberg, Fulton, and Heyer.

Fusco (C Slippery Rock) was selected before we picked and would have been a decent fit in a ZBS. However I love the vision and production of Royster and people that were hoping to draft Salas should love the pick of Alderick Robinson in the 6th as they both come from the same offense. I constantly heard that the Robinson pick was a steal so I had no problem with it.

The only thing that bums me out is that we missed out in the 7th on one of my favorite prospects in Andrew Jackson. Tough, smart, above average athlete. Jackson dropped from the 3rd or 4th due to corners with durability. Jackson was selected before our pick.

Thompson, as a general principle I HATE corners. I hate them. They're starting to become cocky just as receivers are becoming humble. Still I like Thompsons production and attitude and think he could easily fit nicely as a nickle or dime back as unlike Carlos he's capable of making turnovers.

Going back to Corners though you find that it really is the safest position early because scouts are usually very good at finding the guys that can cover which means a lot of the good corners don't usually fall during the draft. A list of the leagues top corners will give you a list of more first round picks then any other position in the league. Where other positions top players frequently see late round steals, top corners are usually all first and early second rounders.

Rereading Maurice Hurts report makes me feel better about the pick. When we first got him I thought he was more of a mauler with huge character concerns, now I see that the character concerns are minimal and that he does in fact have the physical tools to succeed in this offense.

Chris Neild. Not a lot to dislike about this pick. Tough hard working Nose Guard that at worst will be a rotation player. He will make the team and he will be here for no less then 5 years.

So to review.

In the 2nd round we only really could have considered Wisenski over Jenkins and seeing how badly we needed D-Line help this could have been a bad choice.

In the 3rd the only comprable value to Hankerson was Boling and as good as Boling is Hankerson beat him in both need and talent.

4th round, not a lot to dislike about Helu Jr. Cannon might have been the only justifiable lineman here and between the cancer and the mauler label might now have been a good fit. I'll certainly be rooting for Cannon though

5th Round is where it got tricky. Gomes and Paul were reaches and we could have had DeMarcus Love (OL Arkansas) or Andrew Jackson (G Fresno State).

6th Round, Royster has great vision and production. Robinson has production and talent and with this coaching staff could easily be a steal.

7th Missed out on Jackson. Dirtbag hate's corners especially late round corners since good ones rarely slip to the later rounds. Hurt was a decent pick and should at least be on the practice squad and Neild was a steal.