Parkland Shooting

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You are right but it's all so part of the problem ....the parents.Many pro gun parents do have their children trained to handle guns and don't believe it can happen to them.Their kids are members of the NRA and such ,they have taken class's and such,it's why and how kids like this have the ways and means to have multiple guns.

This kid in FL bragged about his gun ownership,the kid from New-town was taught to handle guns by his own Mom and the kids from Columbine were jr NRA memebers. I am NOT BLAMING the NRA just pointing out that they been educated on and about guns. I live in the country of Maryland and when my kids went to high school(15 -20 years ago) they said it was not unusual for friends of theirs who would hunt with family and come straight to school after hunting at 3/4 am in the morning with their guns in their trucks ,some would bring the deer so they could give it to a teacher. It's a mind set.

Now they want to arm the teachers,what if a teacher doesn't want to carry a gun?

I grew up like this too...me and a lot of friends had a gun in our teens and you never heard of this sort of thing happening anywhere. There is a big difference between a teen having his own rifle to deer hunt with in hunting season and probably with a parent most of the time while doing so, and one that is able to grab any gun in the house and ammunition at any given time and stroll out the house with it. Just makes me wonder what has really changed over the years that is making these teens do things like this? Because there has always been angry, rebellious teenagers throughout the years....but nothing like this.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

I grew up like this too...me and a lot of friends had a gun in our teens and you never heard of this sort of thing happening anywhere. There is a big difference between a teen having his own rifle to deer hunt with in hunting season and probably with a parent most of the time while doing so, and one that is able to grab any gun in the house and ammunition at any given time and stroll out the house with it. Just makes me wonder what has really changed over the years that is making these teens do things like this? Because there has always been angry, rebellious teenagers throughout the years....but nothing like this.

Guns were never put forth as a way to deal with other humans all the time.

When I was young body building and learning to fight or self defense was put forth as solutions to dealing with bullies or attackers.

Alarm systems and dogs as a way to protect your home.

Now it is guns are the solution to these things and once you accept lethal force as a means to deal with other humans in certain situations than the you see it as an answer to more problems.

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[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

How about parents taking the most initiative here and knowing what the hell is going on with your kid?? These parents who can't believe that their child did this simply are horrible parents and didn't give a sh!t about their child. Nowadays every parent should have access to their kids social media pages, internet usage and phones and monitor them regularly. And why does your high school kid have access to a AR-15 in the first place! Parents if you have guns, lock them up in a safe. Parents HAVE to be the first step in trying to prevent these type of events!

blaming parents? calling them bad parents when the kids act out? let me ask you something. do you think every inmate at every prison had bad parents? do you think that every adult that cheats on his/ her wife had bad parents? the guy that cant keep a job ? the woman that has different kids, to different fathers? being a parent involves showing your children right from wrong. to nuturing them when they are down. protecting them from unsafe situations, and suspicious people. picking them up when they fall down. but every child gets to a point in their life when they will make all of their own decisions. you can only hope they do what you have taught/ shown them. but there are no guarantees.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

How about parents taking the most initiative here and knowing what the hell is going on with your kid?? These parents who can't believe that their child did this simply are horrible parents and didn't give a sh!t about their child. Nowadays every parent should have access to their kids social media pages, internet usage and phones and monitor them regularly. And why does your high school kid have access to a AR-15 in the first place! Parents if you have guns, lock them up in a safe. Parents HAVE to be the first step in trying to prevent these type of events!

Unfortunately some of the worse parents are the ones with guns. They are the ones after a mass shooting are more worried about their guns then they are about the innocent people killed. Most people do honestly self evaluate themselves or their kids.

One of the most annoying things for me is seeing one of my douche bag cousins who post pictures of her with her guns or bows lecturing on Facebook the problem is parents knowing she isn't raising any of her kids.

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[Dan73]

Nothing is going to change because guns are seen as a god given right. People care more about themselves than others. And guns as a solution is too grained into too many people.

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[Schneed10]

Arming the teachers doesn't make sense to me. Placing armed security officers or police in schools does.

Teachers are trained to teach, security and police are trained to secure.

Today I've been successful in getting the matter of security in our school district on the agenda for the next school board meeting. After doing rough math, I've estimated that it would cost our school district $400K annually to place one armed security guard at each elementary school, and two at the middle school and two at the high school. That would cover their salaries for 180 days of 8-hour workdays.

That $400K works out to $25.61 in annual costs per household for our township.

After spending the better part of today organizing a lot of parental interest, I can't wait to be confronted with the question of cost. Show of hands, who thinks $25 per household is too expensive to safeguard our children? $30? $35?

Stop me when it gets too expensive to keep our children safe.

[BaltimoreSkins]

1. I would love to see a plan in place similar to Australia in particular in regards to stricter requirements for registration of firearms and storage of firearms. They have even done stronger restrictions on automatic and semi automatic by decreasing available caliber along with a mandatory buy back. I would like that but am not naive enough to think that is plausible. Interestingly enough gun ownership and the number of guns have not declined in Australia despite the tough regulations.
2. I would also like to see better enforcement of current laws and closing of loopholes like the boyfriend loophole and the gun show loophole. We have legislation in place how about we enforce it and make it work.

[MTK]

So that good guy with a gun BS should be out the window right? The security guard at the school did nothing.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by MTK

So that good guy with a gun BS should be out the window right? The security guard at the school did nothing.

Just more BS propaganda to sell guns.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

So that good guy with a gun BS should be out the window right? The security guard at the school did nothing.

It continues to show that shootings are tragedies not talking points. Neither political side will ever learn that.

The security guard should be ashamed, and I am sure he is. He was there to save those kids lives and didn't. That doesn't mean that the whole concept of security guards should be thrown out.

But I am all for making Capitol Hill a gun free zone, if that is what politicians think keep our kids safest it should be good for them too. After all DC has great gun laws, so they should be perfectly safe.

[MTK]

More guns = more problems

Arming teachers is just asinine

Now Trump is blaming video games? So guns in a video game are the problem but not the real ones? Brilliant

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by MTK

More guns = more problems

Arming teachers is just asinine

Now Trump is blaming video games? So guns in a video game are the problem but not the real ones? Brilliant

Rap music, Marilyn Manson, video games, medications and parents. But never ever the guns or the ads used to sell them.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Dan73

Rap music, Marilyn Manson, video games, medications and parents. But never ever the guns or the ads used to sell them.

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The first sentence looks at what caused a person to do an evil act, and can we reduce or rehabilitate those. The second sentence looks at an inanimate object that has been used to save thousands or tens of thousands of lives when held by people with good intent.

Yes, imo, the focus should be on looking at personal responibility, and getting help to those who need it, BEFORE, they have set in their hearts to do evil.

The Parkland shooting shows us again, the systems were in place to stop it, but the almighty government and the individual guard who were alerted and could have stopped it - failed. It's that simple and tragic. You can ban whatever guns you want, there will always be a way for a person intent on an evil act to accomplish it.

HYPOTHETICAL, suppose Nikolas, instead of using a gun, had plowed his car through the parking lot, would you be calling on an end to high schoolers being able to park on school property? Of course not, and driving kills far more people per year than gun violence. And it's not a protected right in the Bill of Rights.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The first sentence looks at what caused a person to do an evil act, and can we reduce or rehabilitate those. The second sentence looks at an inanimate object that has been used to save thousands or tens of thousands of lives when held by people with good intent.

Yes, imo, the focus should be on looking at personal responibility, and getting help to those who need it, BEFORE, they have set in their hearts to do evil.

The Parkland shooting shows us again, the systems were in place to stop it, but the almighty government and the individual guard who were alerted and could have stopped it - failed. It's that simple and tragic. You can ban whatever guns you want, there will always be a way for a person intent on an evil act to accomplish it.

HYPOTHETICAL, suppose Nikolas, instead of using a gun, had plowed his car through the parking lot, would you be calling on an end to high schoolers being able to park on school property? Of course not, and driving kills far more people per year than gun violence. And it's not a protected right in the Bill of Rights.

First off cars aren't designed to take lives. They are not promoted as ways to deal with other people with whom you have conflict up to including the government.

When I was younger you bought a hunting rifle now you buy an assault rifle.

When cars are advertised as ways to deal with other people then make laws to reduce that happening.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Dan73

First off cars aren't designed to take lives. They are not promoted as ways to deal with other people with whom you have conflict up to including the government.

When I was younger you bought a hunting rifle now you buy an assault rifle.

When cars are advertised as ways to deal with other people then make laws to reduce that happening.

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I have never seen a gun advertisement showing a young man of good intent walking into a school and shooting the occupants.

I have seen terrorists in NY London Germany and Paris use vehicles as weapons of destruction.

We see more deaths by cars then by guns every year.

All that said, add background checks and raise the age to 21 for non-military. It will be as illegal then to use it as it was when Nikolas went into that school. The laws on the books did not stop him. But preventive steps could have.