Pro-gun article

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I just wish this President would get as angry when Americans are murdered in Benghazi and Boston as he does when his bills are defeated (by his own party). He blew a gasket yesterday in the Rose Garden.

That's a great point!

[RedskinRat]

In 2010, under the current gun control laws, 48,000 felons attempted to illegally (because they aren't allowed) purchase firearms. Only 44 prosecutions came from those known attempts.

More gun control? Use the rules already on the books, FFS!

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

In 2010, under the current gun control laws, 48,000 felons attempted to illegally (because they aren't allowed) purchase firearms. Only 44 prosecutions came from those known attempts.

More gun control? Use the rules already on the books, FFS!

I want two fairly simple changes.

1) Anyone who sells a gun is responsible for doing a full background check on the individual. Any time someone buys a gun, a background check should be run and gun registered to person X.
2) Any time THAT WEAPON is used in a crime, that person has a certain amount of responsibility for said crime. I don't want to see them take full responsibility, but there are penalties for your weapon being used in a criminal fashion. Another crime on this is anyone found with an unregistered weapon also faces a charge and the weapon is confiscated.

These changes would in turn make sure that only people that fulfill all the requirements for gun ownership are able to purchase them, and that those people are responsible for the way that weapon is used.

I don't feel as if either of those are overbearing. People can still have their guns, they just have to go through a background check and gun registration.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I want two fairly simple changes.

1) Anyone who sells a gun is responsible for doing a full background check on the individual. Any time someone buys a gun, a background check should be run and gun registered to person X.
2) Any time THAT WEAPON is used in a crime, that person has a certain amount of responsibility for said crime. I don't want to see them take full responsibility, but there are penalties for your weapon being used in a criminal fashion. Another crime on this is anyone found with an unregistered weapon also faces a charge and the weapon is confiscated.

These changes would in turn make sure that only people that fulfill all the requirements for gun ownership are able to purchase them, and that those people are responsible for the way that weapon is used.

I don't feel as if either of those are overbearing. People can still have their guns, they just have to go through a background check and gun registration.

I agree with your suggestion, however those things are in place and just need to be enforced. What troubles me is the call for MORE laws.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I agree with your suggestion, however those things are in place and just need to be enforced. What troubles me is the call for MORE laws.

Private sellers don't have to run background checks, correct? If those are on the books, great, enforce them!

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Private sellers don't have to run background checks, correct? If those are on the books, great, enforce them!

How do private citizens do "background checks" on other private citizens?

[Alvin Walton]

I dont own a small business.
And asking private citizens to do the job of law enforcement officials is the wrong way to go about it.
You want a hand gun?
You go to the cop shop/courthouse with 20 bucks.
You show them your drivers license and tell them you want a gun purchase ticket.
They run your name on the spot and give you the ticket which expires in 30 days.
You take the ticket to the gun store and show it to the seller and walk out with your firearm.
That's how its done in Michigan for hand guns.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I dont own a small business.
And asking private citizens to do the job of law enforcement officials is the wrong way to go about it.

now im confused. YOu think private citizens should be allowed to SELL guns, but the government should do background checks on the people they sell to? Please explain to me how that process should work.

You want a hand gun?
You go to the cop shop/courthouse with 20 bucks.
You show them your drivers license and tell them you want a gun purchase ticket.
They run your name on the spot and give you the ticket which expires in 30 days.
You take the ticket to the gun store and show it to the seller and walk out with your firearm.
That's how its done in Michigan for hand guns.

No i dont want a handgun. but i see problems with that process (atleast with how i understand it) I cant fathom how they could run a persons name on the spot and determine you dont have a criminal record or other red flags that should prevent you from owning a gun. how do you truly verify that the person who has the ticket is the same person that buys the gun? How do you ensure that the seller even verifies the ticket?

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

now im confused. YOu think private citizens should be allowed to SELL guns, but the government should do background checks on the people they sell to? Please explain to me how that process should work.




No i dont want a handgun. but i see problems with that process (atleast with how i understand it) I cant fathom how they could run a persons name on the spot and determine you dont have a criminal record or other red flags that should prevent you from owning a gun. how do you truly verify that the person who has the ticket is the same person that buys the gun? How do you ensure that the seller even verifies the ticket?

The same way a cop knows if you're wanted when he pulls you over for a taillight issue. The police have that info at their fingertips. whats not to understand?

And you'll be glad to know I can buy and sell all the rifles I want with zero paperwork, its only hand guns they care about.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

The same way a cop knows if you're wanted when he pulls you over for a taillight issue. The police have that info at their fingertips. whats not to understand?

And you'll be glad to know I can buy and sell all the rifles I want with zero paperwork, its only hand guns they care about.

well thats the thing. any review like that cant quite be inclusive enough. how do they know he doesnt have mental health issues, for example? What if he's using a fake ID?

[RedskinRat]

No, he doesn't. He's funny, but he really should just stick to funny.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

No, he doesn't. He's funny, but he really should just stick to funny.

Way to ignore the facts.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Way to ignore the facts.

Which facts? The claims of reduced drink drive deaths?

Despite overall marked reductions in alcohol–related traffic deaths since the early 1980s, there has been little reduction since the mid–1990s, and alcohol–related traffic deaths have increased slightly in the past 3 years.

Epidemiology and Consequences of Drinking and Driving

These actual facts were ignored in his diatribe because they didn't fit the narrative.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I was reading in an editorial that the majority of guns used illegally in the U.S. are guns that are stolen from homes or cars from citizens that purchased them legally. NOt sure if any of you who have more of a vested interest in this topic have data to back that statement.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I was reading in an editorial that the majority of guns used illegally in the U.S. are guns that are stolen from homes or cars from citizens that purchased them legally. NOt sure if any of you who have more of a vested interest in this topic have data to back that statement.

You'd first need to define what you mean by 'used illegally'.

In the commission of a crime or just transferred to another person?