Who Stays And Who Goes? Perceptions Changing?

[GMScud]

I think the absolute best thing we can do as soon as the season is over is to hand over total control of football decisions to a new GM. From there, let this man decide where we're going.

The biggest part of what we can and can't do in the offseason hinges on the status of the CBA. The best thing that can happen to us is an uncapped year. We can dump garbage contracts (i.e. Portis), and it gives us more leverage with Campbell. Without a new CBA, JC is a RFA. If it's a capped year, he's unrestricted.

No salary cap and a new GM is far and away the best thing for the Skins in 2010. If it's not Zorn as HC (probably shouldn't be), I think we should still try to stay West Coast, especially if JC comes back. That's the best way to bring in new leadership and still maintain some continuity. There isn't a FA or top draft pick QB that is going to make us better in 2010. I like the idea of a guy like Pike or Lefevour after the 1st round. I would be thrilled if we shipped our high 1st round pick for multiples later in the draft. That would allow us to get a QB (regardless of JC's status), a RB, and more than one O-lineman, all before the 5th round. We're gonna need to look at LB as well, but I think we can make it one more year with Rocky, London, HB, Orakpo, and a FA or two.

On a side note, all the injuries and adversity have given us a good chance to evaluate some depth.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think the absolute best thing we can do as soon as the season is over is to hand over total control of football decisions to a new GM. From there, let this man decide where we're going.

The biggest part of what we can and can't do in the offseason hinges on the status of the CBA. The best thing that can happen to us is an uncapped year. We can dump garbage contracts (i.e. Portis), and it gives us more leverage with Campbell. Without a new CBA, JC is a RFA. If it's a capped year, he's unrestricted.

No salary cap and a new GM is far and away the best thing for the Skins in 2010. If it's not Zorn as HC (probably shouldn't be), I think we should still try to stay West Coast, especially if JC comes back. That's the best way to bring in new leadership and still maintain some continuity. There isn't a FA or top draft pick QB that is going to make us better in 2010. I like the idea of a guy like Pike or Lefevour after the 1st round. I would be thrilled if we shipped our high 1st round pick for multiples later in the draft. That would allow us to get a QB (regardless of JC's status), a RB, and more than one O-lineman, all before the 5th round. We're gonna need to look at LB as well, but I think we can make it one more year with Rocky, London, HB, Orakpo, and a FA or two.

On a side note, all the injuries and adversity have given us a good chance to evaluate some depth.

That right there is what should drive our draft strategy. There will be no one on the board or out there that can come here and right the ship immediately. Which is why I fully endorse both Campbell and Zorn staying for at least another year.

[joethiesmanfan]

Well if you draft a QB who Qbs in the interim? Until Bradford or whoever starts looking good. I don't see a great QB in this years draft. I am sorry. Then at that point you have a QB but need everything else to go along with it, you rebuilding again. The team will be good around that QB's 5th or 6th year, with a small 2 year window for the Super Bowl.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

The team will be good around that QB's 5th or 6th year, with a small 2 year window for the Super Bowl.

I am not certain how you come to this conclusion.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I am not certain how you come to this conclusion.

The problem is this rookie QB could: 1. Possibly make everything else digress. 2. By the time he gets ready we will have squandered 3 or 4 Haynesworth seasons, Carter, Fletcher, Moss and other players. Just keep tweaking til we get it. IMO.

Maybe the rookie QB turns out to be worse than Campbell? Just because a player is drafted high does not mean they will be any good. No amount of research can guarantee this. There are no Mannings in this years draft.

[Redskin Warrior]

I think that we should get a GM, keep Zorn, Lewis, Jason, add OL, RB, LB (to move Sackpo to DE), FS Landry is a SS keep him in the box & limited pass coverage. Get younger let Griffin, Daniels, Thomas, Samuels go.

[dmek25]

there is a ton of stuff that really pisses me off with Zorn. his clock management is god awful. the second half of yesterdays game was the first time in an eternity that skins had all of their timeouts left going late into the half/ game. the super conservative play calling leading up to Suisham's miss. yes, i know that's a chip shot. but why not try to score a touchdown? the stupid idea of trying to freeze the kicker with a timeout. almost cost us at the end of the half, when New Orleans brought their offense back onto the field. the list goes on and on

[SFREDSKIN]

If you look at the schedule of games played this year this team has been in every game. The worst loss was to Atlanta by 14 points and that was when during the 1st half the team looked as if had quit, after the second half these team has been playing a lot better despite all the injuries, turmoil and last minute heartbreaking losses. It would be dumb to let Campbell walk, we should fire Vinny get another GM, keep Zorn as HC and Sherm Lewis as OC, promote Jerry Gray to DC, build the OL, draft a LB and RB and we are on our way.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If you look at the schedule of games played this year this team has been in every game. The worst loss was to Atlanta by 14 points and that was when during the 1st half the team looked as if had quit, after the second half these team has been playing a lot better despite all the injuries, turmoil and last minute heartbreaking losses. It would be dumb to let Campbell walk, we should fire Vinny get another GM, keep Zorn as HC and Sherm Lewis as OC, promote Jerry Gray to DC, build the OL, draft a LB and RB and we are on our way.

I actually like this and would give it a chance.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If you look at the schedule of games played this year this team has been in every game. The worst loss was to Atlanta by 14 points and that was when during the 1st half the team looked as if had quit, after the second half these team has been playing a lot better despite all the injuries, turmoil and last minute heartbreaking losses. It would be dumb to let Campbell walk, we should fire Vinny get another GM, keep Zorn as HC and Sherm Lewis as OC, promote Jerry Gray to DC, build the OL, draft a LB and RB and we are on our way.

I actually was thinking of something like this after the Saints game.. The players are finally responding to Zorn; it's probably because Zorn has less responsibilities to do and then he's able to do his job better now.. Although Zorn still has ways to go such as making decisions on play callings and such, but he's only 2nd year coach and looking on his resume; we are asking a lot from Zorn.. Zorn is being enriched with experiences and it will help.. I believe with new GM, and keep some of coaches intact.. We would be better team next year, assuming the new GM doesn't blow up the team..

It might would be good idea to keep Lewis as OC next year but we definitely need to find a guy for Lewis to mentor so that guy could become OC next season when Lewis is gone..

Edit: I'm somewhat unsure of the idea of promoting Gray to DC.. I used to advocate it but now, I'm not so sure anymore, especially after the Laron Landry's performance.. If I recall right, it was Gray's idea to bench Rogers after he let two big plays in Broncos game.. Why didn't Gray decide to bench Landry when he let two big plays, especially the one that basically cost us the game? I want our head coach (Zorn), OC (Lewis), and DC (either Gray or whoever else) to force the players to take responsible for their errors..

[Texanskin]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If you look at the schedule of games played this year this team has been in every game. The worst loss was to Atlanta by 14 points and that was when during the 1st half the team looked as if had quit, after the second half these team has been playing a lot better despite all the injuries, turmoil and last minute heartbreaking losses. It would be dumb to let Campbell walk, we should fire Vinny get another GM, keep Zorn as HC and Sherm Lewis as OC, promote Jerry Gray to DC, build the OL, draft a LB and RB and we are on our way.

I could not agree more....trust me...if we draft a QB this year we will look like the jets.....remember sanchize????? We will be at the bottom of the barrel AGAIN without any hope in sight...at least now we are seeing our squad play HARD on offense if JC has time....oh yeah...he is reading the blitz very well now

[Paintrain]

I am truly surprised at how many people want to keep a 3 win coach! Just because we're starting to resemble an NFL offense (once the play calling duties were stripped from said coach mind you) doesn't mean squat if we're still losing games! I don't want to 'blow it up' just for the sake of blowing it up but seriously, changes are needed.

[diehardskin2982]

Who goes for me by trade, retire, or release. No personal feelings just business:
Todd Collins
Phillip Daniels
Malcolm Kelly
Marcus Mason
Anthony Montgomery
Fred Smoot
Antwaan Randle El
Carlos Rogers
Renaldo Wynn
Ladell Betts
Chris Samuels
Randy Thomas
Jim Zorn

Notable not on list:
Laron Landry- He is a great player out of position. We need a free safety to give us the opportunity to move him to his natural position.
Clinton Portis- I really would like to see how he would be in a real rotation and behind a decent oline, I'm not ready to give up on him yet. His "me-first" attitude and unwillingness to practice I am also willing to let him go though.
Santanna Moss- Has heart and could be a monster if he is shifted around the formations to create mismatches as well as the slot.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Who goes for me by trade, retire, or release. No personal feelings just business:
Todd Collins
Phillip Daniels
Malcolm Kelly
Marcus Mason
Anthony Montgomery
Fred Smoot
Antwaan Randle El
Carlos Rogers
Renaldo Wynn
Ladell Betts
Chris Samuels
Randy Thomas
Jim Zorn

Notable not on list:
Laron Landry- He is a great player out of position. We need a free safety to give us the opportunity to move him to his natural position.
Clinton Portis- I really would like to see how he would be in a real rotation and behind a decent oline, I'm not ready to give up on him yet. His "me-first" attitude and unwillingness to practice I am also willing to let him go though.
Santanna Moss- Has heart and could be a monster if he is shifted around the formations to create mismatches as well as the slot.

Why Kelly? What has he done that would require/justify him to be cut? Letting a guy go after 2 seasons?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Who goes for me by trade, retire, or release. No personal feelings just business:
Todd Collins
Phillip Daniels
Malcolm Kelly
Marcus Mason
Anthony Montgomery
Fred Smoot
Antwaan Randle El
Carlos Rogers
Renaldo Wynn
Ladell Betts
Chris Samuels
Randy Thomas
Jim Zorn

Notable not on list:
Laron Landry- He is a great player out of position. We need a free safety to give us the opportunity to move him to his natural position.
Clinton Portis- I really would like to see how he would be in a real rotation and behind a decent oline, I'm not ready to give up on him yet. His "me-first" attitude and unwillingness to practice I am also willing to let him go though.
Santanna Moss- Has heart and could be a monster if he is shifted around the formations to create mismatches as well as the slot.

I would put Moss on the trade list and keep Kelly instead. I'd also keep Betts.