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[MTK]

Has a president elect ever done a victory tour? I mean WTF is this nonsense all about?

[MTK]

I think it's great people are keeping their jobs, but let's skip the bullshit and call it what is is. $7 million in tax incentives to save 1000 jobs? Something doesn't add up. So what do we do now anytime a company threatens to move jobs? Bend over backwards and give them millions in tax breaks? Sounds like the usual story of the rich getting richer. More trickle down clowns.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

I think it's great people are keeping their jobs, but let's skip the bullshit and call it what is is. $7 million in tax incentives to save 1000 jobs? Something doesn't add up. So what do we do now anytime a company threatens to move jobs? Bend over backwards and give them millions in tax breaks? Sounds like the usual story of the rich getting richer. More trickle down clowns.

Exactly. Well said. Nobody is unhappy about those families. Duh. But this was low hanging fruit and is not a sustainable strategy long term. Not even close. So show me something built to last. Not a PR stunt for christ sake.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

I think it's great people are keeping their jobs, but let's skip the bullshit and call it what is is. $7 million in tax incentives to save 1000 jobs? Something doesn't add up. So what do we do now anytime a company threatens to move jobs? Bend over backwards and give them millions in tax breaks? Sounds like the usual story of the rich getting richer. More trickle down clowns.

If your link from earlier is correct it's 7million weighed against a pledge to invest 16million plus 1000 workers with income staying in the local community, not pulling even a day of unemployment/welfare from the government coffers.

Yes punch it is low hanging fruit but he isn't even in office yet and he convinced them to back off moving all the jobs. Yes it's Pence's home state but that makes sense because that gave Trump credibility that he could get the state to agree with the plan.

To your point Matty, if 7mill over 10 years gets 16mill over the same10 AND keeps 1000 jobs in a state that's a win win every time.

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MTK

I think it's great people are keeping their jobs, but let's skip the bullshit and call it what is is. $7 million in tax incentives to save 1000 jobs? Something doesn't add up. So what do we do now anytime a company threatens to move jobs? Bend over backwards and give them millions in tax breaks? Sounds like the usual story of the rich getting richer. More trickle down clowns.

I agree. How long will the jobs remain?Why are they still closing another plant and sending those jobs to Mexico?Why didn't Pence handle this himself as Governor instead of bringing Trump into the picture?What happens when the "next" company wants the same deal,or will they be told no becuase the parent company doesn't have DoD contracts to hold over their heads?

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And the white gun toting nut bags were praying it was a muslim for their agenda.
Listen man i am 90 % instinct and 10 % news. Same as I am with the skins. I get a better feel for a player watching him play and pay little to no attention to rankings write ups stats projections etc etc.
lets just say my instinct has been pretty good so far in my life. Im not talented in any way. I am not uber successful. But i gotta a pretty good instinct. Like i did about KC a couple years ago. Lets just say if Trump was a qb i get a feeling reminiscent of going into the Beck year. Pence is Sexy Rexy. He is better but certainly not the guy. I hope the next four years is not as disastrous as that. I really do. But don't bet against my gut. It has eery powers. Lol
C-Red I just saw you tied football into this too. Haha.

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Another thing Chico. Not just you, but the vast majority of the right always wants to label anyone with disdain for Trump a leftist a liberal whatever. Assumes we not only voted for Obama but we think he is the cats meow.
Isn't it extremely possible that someone could have disdain for Trump just because of who he is. No agenda. No party affiliation. No nothing. Just not a fan of the person at all whatsoever. I mean he is "supposed" to be the "new" breed of politician. So this is a new breed of disdain. This is not Bush Vs Gore. This is brand new. It is not about Obama or libs or millennials or any of that. It is just pure disdain. Up until this point there is plenty of reason for it too.
Many republicans have disdain for him. I dont care what they say now. They better get in line. But you know damn well there were a shit ton from the right that did not want him in.

[MTK]

No. It's not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.1dd7fc167a6f

[CRedskinsRule]

You will have to forgive me if I don't take a dyed in the wool socialist's advice on the best way to impact capitalistic behavior. I know I know. I'm a wild and crazy guy

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[punch it in]

Carrier is tantamount to paying ransom. You are just begging for other companies to start thinking tax incentives. Trump said he was going to threaten these people during the campaign. This is an all time Smoke and mirrors.
And what about the 1300 jobs Carrier is still sending to Mexico? So take all of your calculations and cut them in less than half. Than would you sign up for that every day? In this case you are setting a dangerous precedent. So something isnt always better than nothing. Carrier got a huuuuuge tax break and still more than 50% of the work force is leaving. It is such fluff.
Such painfully evident throw the crowd a bone strategic crap move in the big picture.
Edit: just saw the bernie article. Say what u want about Bernie. Call him whatever you want. But he is spot on. I mean it is common fucking sense.
During campaign :
Trump - u leave ur dead to me and u will pay dearly to come back.
Now :
Trump - please ill pay u to keep 40 % of the jobs here?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Carrier is tantamount to paying ransom. You are just begging for other companies to start thinking tax incentives. Trump said he was going to threaten these people during the campaign. This is an all time Smoke and mirrors.
And what about the 1300 jobs Carrier is still sending to Mexico? So take all of your calculations and cut them in less than half. Than would you sign up for that every day? In this case you are setting a dangerous precedent. So something isnt always better than nothing. Carrier got a huuuuuge tax break and still more than 50% of the work force is leaving. It is such fluff.
Such painfully evident throw the crowd a bone strategic crap move in the big picture.
Edit: just saw the bernie article. Say what u want about Bernie. Call him whatever you want. But he is spot on. I mean it is common fucking sense.
During campaign :
Trump - u leave ur dead to me and u will pay dearly to come back.
Now :
Trump - please ill pay u to keep 40 % of the jobs here?

You are reacting off your gut. Look if it becomes the Oprah Winfrey show but with tax breaks (you get a million. You get a million every corporation gets a million) then it might be a bad thing. Again he isn't even president yet and maybe part of the conversations were you can choose this now or face a 35% tax once I am sworn in. I don't know how the negotiation went down.

I will stay with the fact that Baltimore just did a similar sweet deal to under armour and was getting praise by all the local Democrats. Jobs are rarely bad things to keep.

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So apparently the current and former CEO's of Exxon are being considered for secretary of state? Wow. That is not scary at all considering how Scumbag feels about the environment. Wall St + Oil Companies + Donald "fucking scumbag" Trump = the new leaders of the free world.
God help us.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So apparently the current and former CEO's of Exxon are being considered for secretary of state? Wow. That is not scary at all considering how Scumbag feels about the environment. Wall St + Oil Companies + Donald "fucking scumbag" Trump = the new leaders of the free world.
God help us.

He's draining the swamp and refilling it with toxic waste.

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Originally Posted by MTK

He's draining the swamp and refilling it with toxic waste.

How anybody in their bloody rite mind could have thought any different is truly beyond my scope.
Oh he is not a politician so it will be change and change is good = full blown dumb. Manson is not a politician. Neither is madoff. I mean how fucking dumb is the logic?

[Chico23231]

The tax incentives to Carrier are spread out over a period of I believe 10 years(?) but that also comes with a Carrier commitment to reinvestment that money within the state of Indiana with expansion efforts.

So its not like Carrier will claim a 7 million or whatever deduction at the end of the year. Or its not like when Obama administration negotiated with a state sponser of terror, Iran, for the hostages release and then immediately put 400 million on a plane sent it to them. Immediately then told the American people that was not related to the deal. Which the State department admitted a month later, absolutely was part of the deal.