Skins @ Panthers gameday thread

[53Fan]

That officiating crew needs to be fired. Those morons actually talked it over and still called unnecessary roughness on Culliver??? They should return their paychecks for that POS performance.

[Coff]

I heard an interview with Clinton Portis last week in which he commented that rushers like Morris need to get in a bunch of reps before they start finding their groove. I'd like to see them commit to Morris and keep Jones on the bench. Morris has great for us for three years, Jones likes to cough up the ball. Why did Morris get two carries yesterday??

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Coff

I heard an interview with Clinton Portis last week in which he commented that rushers like Morris need to get in a bunch of reps before they start finding their groove. I'd like to see them commit to Morris and keep Jones on the bench. Morris has great for us for three years, Jones likes to cough up the ball. Why did Morris get two carries yesterday??

He got hurt

[over the mountain]

Jim Zorn was 2-of-17 for 25 yards, completing both passes to Steve Largent. Sherman Smith ran the ball seven times for 16 yards, and there were five other runs that totaled seven more yards. Had that been the end of it, the Seahawks would have gained 48 yards against the Rams, which would be good for the 16th-worst total in NFL history.

But that wasn't the end of it.

Though they didn't keep individual sack numbers at the time, Zorn was credited as going down six times (I've seen different totals for this, going as high as eight) and losing 55 yards. The Seahawks total offense that day was -7 yards, the worst performance that the league has ever seen. They gained one first down all game long and never made it past their own 42 yard line.

Minus 7 yards: The Seahawks and the worst offensive performance in NFL history - Field Gulls



We ran for 14 yards total, lost 35 yds on 5 sacks = -21 yds rushing

Redskins vs. Panthers - Team Statistics - November 22, 2015 - ESPN

This is getting statistically impossible for our running game to be this bad. Has any team ever rushed for negative rushing yards wout considering yds lost for sacks?
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coff - morris sd he had a rib injury, he had hurt it previously and sd something like "it just popped out today" and he popped it back in. ive never heard of a rib "popping out" unless its a fractured rib but hes a tough dude.

[Schneed10]

Poor tackling and undisciplined penalties definitely land square in the laps of the coaches.

I think we've got a pretty average coaching staff. Give them elite talent and they'll get outsmarted in the playoffs by the best coaches.

Jay knows how to scheme an offense and keep the chains moving. But the staff doesn't keep the team disciplined enough to avoid penalties. Players stop pursuing plays when they think their teammate has made a tackle, there's no discipline there.

Gregg Williams made sure there were always 6 Redskins meeting at the ball carrier. That's not happening here. I'm definitely not satisfied with the coaching staff.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Poor tackling and undisciplined penalties definitely land square in the laps of the coaches.

I think we've got a pretty average coaching staff. Give them elite talent and they'll get outsmarted in the playoffs by the best coaches.

Jay knows how to scheme an offense and keep the chains moving. But the staff doesn't keep the team disciplined enough to avoid penalties. Players stop pursuing plays when they think their teammate has made a tackle, there's no discipline there.

Gregg Williams made sure there were always 6 Redskins meeting at the ball carrier. That's not happening here. I'm definitely not satisfied with the coaching staff.

He also had us turned around his first year with us, we were the #3 ranked defense in 2004. Seems like every d-coordinator we've hired after him has had the excuse of "wait till he brings his guys in here."

[sdskinsfan2001]

4-6 = 1 game out of both first and last place. NFC East football baby!!!

[Michaelt31]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Poor tackling and undisciplined penalties definitely land square in the laps of the coaches.

I think we've got a pretty average coaching staff. Give them elite talent and they'll get outsmarted in the playoffs by the best coaches.

Jay knows how to scheme an offense and keep the chains moving. But the staff doesn't keep the team disciplined enough to avoid penalties. Players stop pursuing plays when they think their teammate has made a tackle, there's no discipline there.

Gregg Williams made sure there were always 6 Redskins meeting at the ball carrier. That's not happening here. I'm definitely not satisfied with the coaching staff.

I totally agree, he look likes the next Bill Walsh against a college defense. This guy doesn't demand perfect from his players. The offsides, the uniforms fines, and the inconsistency of the way he play players. If you pick one player over another one b/c he is better to play qb, then why don't you drop one who can't tackle over another one. The leadership is terrible, he will probably win Sunday or the Monday night game. But he will never get us over the top. Best to move on after the season and regroup with a move leadership style coach as we get rid of these me first type of guys!

[NoCalHail]

With a half a day to digest the game there's no reason to say the officiating "cost the game" but I do think with a good certainty that they definitely had a big part in swinging momentum at 3 specific points in the game on very sketchy borderline calls.

Call #1 - The Culliver call. This is the most obvious one, it takes points off the board. It was a big physical play that had the potential to turn the game in our favor or at least put the Panthers in a different position for the first time in the game. If they are calling THAT unnecessary roughness then how on earth did they not call the helmet to helmet hit on Reed on our series before? The defender dove into Reed helmet first and speared him and there was no call.

Call #2 On that Panthers drive that continued because of Call #1 (I believe it was that drive) Panthers were 2nd and goal and the pass is incomplete, setting up a 3rd and goal....oh except they call illegal contact on another very weak justification. This gives the Panthers 1st and goal and they end up with a TD. I'd say this one was more of a "who knows what would have happened" type call because the Panthers did still have 3rd down to score, but if our defense holds and they kick a FG it is a big deal for the defense.

Call #3 - another obvious one, the phantom "hold" by Reed on Cousins's scramble to the 4 yard line to setup 1st and goal. I'm sorry by Reed's arms weren't extended and when you are body to body you can have the jersey in the shoulder pad area. Just another razor thin call that takes away a huge play. 1st and goal, could cut the game to 21-28 going into half time.

Like I said, we don't win the game merely because these calls don't happen, but it really seemed like the team was dejected after this series of events as the game went from competitive to a laugher within half a quarter of play.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

With a half a day to digest the game there's no reason to say the officiating "cost the game" but I do think with a good certainty that they definitely had a big part in swinging momentum at 3 specific points in the game on very sketchy borderline calls.

Call #1 - The Culliver call. This is the most obvious one, it takes points off the board. It was a big physical play that had the potential to turn the game in our favor or at least put the Panthers in a different position for the first time in the game. If they are calling THAT unnecessary roughness then how on earth did they not call the helmet to helmet hit on Reed on our series before? The defender dove into Reed helmet first and speared him and there was no call.

Call #2 On that Panthers drive that continued because of Call #1 (I believe it was that drive) Panthers were 2nd and goal and the pass is incomplete, setting up a 3rd and goal....oh except they call illegal contact on another very weak justification. This gives the Panthers 1st and goal and they end up with a TD. I'd say this one was more of a "who knows what would have happened" type call because the Panthers did still have 3rd down to score, but if our defense holds and they kick a FG it is a big deal for the defense.

Call #3 - another obvious one, the phantom "hold" by Reed on Cousins's scramble to the 4 yard line to setup 1st and goal. I'm sorry by Reed's arms weren't extended and when you are body to body you can have the jersey in the shoulder pad area. Just another razor thin call that takes away a huge play. 1st and goal, could cut the game to 21-28 going into half time.

Like I said, we don't win the game merely because these calls don't happen, but it really seemed like the team was dejected after this series of events as the game went from competitive to a laugher within half a quarter of play.

You can add the fumble that wasn't a fumble because the ball Carrier never lost possession till after he was on the ground.

They didn't even review it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Bucket

You can add the fumble that wasn't a fumble because the ball Carrier never lost possession till after he was on the ground.



They didn't even review it.

How the F did they not review that play? I haven't seen an official explanation yet.

[irish]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

With a half a day to digest the game there's no reason to say the officiating "cost the game" but I do think with a good certainty that they definitely had a big part in swinging momentum at 3 specific points in the game on very sketchy borderline calls.

Call #1 - The Culliver call. This is the most obvious one, it takes points off the board. It was a big physical play that had the potential to turn the game in our favor or at least put the Panthers in a different position for the first time in the game. If they are calling THAT unnecessary roughness then how on earth did they not call the helmet to helmet hit on Reed on our series before? The defender dove into Reed helmet first and speared him and there was no call.

Call #2 On that Panthers drive that continued because of Call #1 (I believe it was that drive) Panthers were 2nd and goal and the pass is incomplete, setting up a 3rd and goal....oh except they call illegal contact on another very weak justification. This gives the Panthers 1st and goal and they end up with a TD. I'd say this one was more of a "who knows what would have happened" type call because the Panthers did still have 3rd down to score, but if our defense holds and they kick a FG it is a big deal for the defense.

Call #3 - another obvious one, the phantom "hold" by Reed on Cousins's scramble to the 4 yard line to setup 1st and goal. I'm sorry by Reed's arms weren't extended and when you are body to body you can have the jersey in the shoulder pad area. Just another razor thin call that takes away a huge play. 1st and goal, could cut the game to 21-28 going into half time.

Like I said, we don't win the game merely because these calls don't happen, but it really seemed like the team was dejected after this series of events as the game went from competitive to a laugher within half a quarter of play.

The NFL has to do something about the over-officiating, its starting to make the games unwatchable. To me the constant barrage of flags is killing the excitement and flow of the game and after call 3 I turned off the game because I just couldn't take watching the refs continue to insert themselves into the game with ticky-tack calls.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by irish

The NFL has to do something about the over-officiating, its starting to make the games unwatchable. To me the constant barrage of flags is killing the excitement and flow of the game and after call 3 I turned off the game because I just couldn't take watching the refs continue to insert themselves into the game with ticky-tack calls.

Amen!

[calia]

Looking over the schedules, Dallas and Philly are in trouble, and I think the division comes down to the Redskins and Giants.

Dallas probably has 3 more losses (and maybe more) in its future. They play: Panthers (10-0), Packers (7-3), Jets (5-5), Bills (5-4), and Redskins (4-6) twice. I don't see them beating the Panthers, Packers and both the Bills and Jets (even taking us out of the mix). That puts them at 10 losses and out of contention.

The Eagles situation is arguably worse. They will probably lose at least 3 more and possibly more, as they play: Lions (3-7), Patriots (9-0), Bills (5-4), Cardinals (8-2), Redskins (4-6), and Giants (5-5). I don't see them beating the Patriots, Bills or Cardinals, and right now I like our chances and the Giants' chances against them too. That puts them at 9 losses (or more).

The Giants are the team to beat, and we simply must win this weekend in order to be in contention. Their schedule is a bit tougher than ours, but we cannot assume we can lose to them twice and win the division. The play: Redskins (4-6), Jets (5-5), Dolphins (4-6), Panthers (10-0), Vikings (7-3), and Eagles (4-6). I figure they likely lose to the Panthers and Vikings, and maybe the Jets. So maybe 8 losses.

As I see it, we have to go 4-2 with one of those wins against the Giants if we are going to take the division. Our opponents have a combined record of 21-28: Giants (5-5), Bears (4-6), Bills (5-4), Eagles (4-6), and Cowboys (3-7) twice. If we can beat the Giants, I think we have to beat the Bears, Eagles, and Dallas (at least once), and then we're both at 8-8, with a better record in the NFC than the Giants.

Both teams ought to be thinking that this weekend's game will likely determine the winner of the NFC East. And I hope we come to play. Since we seem to play every other weekend, let's hope this weekend our D and running game decide to show up.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by irish

The NFL has to do something about the over-officiating, its starting to make the games unwatchable. To me the constant barrage of flags is killing the excitement and flow of the game and after call 3 I turned off the game because I just couldn't take watching the refs continue to insert themselves into the game with ticky-tack calls.

I feel the same way.