When is Enough ,Enough?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I especially like the video montage i just saw (of very real fox news hosts and gop members - not fake ones made by the liberal news deep state machine lol) absolutely slamming in the most smug way Obama for even mentioning he would like to sit down with NK and “talk” , than fast forward a few years - and voila these same exact people praising Trump for his photo op with NK. Shocker.
The only difference is that “pussy” Obama would not have kissed Jung Un’s ass and given concessions about ending American military exercise with SK for absolutely nothing. Talk about a weak and bad deal. Absolutely amazing how people think this dude is some hardball tough guy. Only people he talks tough to is our allies. While he lets Putin off the hook and makes Jung Un look like Ghandi. GTFOH.

One other thing though, NK did dismantle a test site, and then today announced dismantling a rocket facility (i believe, but waiting to see confirmation) Yes those are both steps that can be reversed, but so can holding training excersises. And I promise one thing, while we will know if they try to rebuild, our armed forces and SK's are more than ready even with one training cycle cancelled. I would call these steps on both sides decent good faith efforts, and hopefully they lead to a verifiable, lasting peace.

I did read the texts of the Panmounjung accord from earlier this year and the agreement text from yesterday. There is still wiggle room, and I imagine if NK decides to get out of the deal, our next practices will be pretty damn intense.

What hasn't been addressed at all in any of the texts is how NK/SK become one Korea again, even it is stated as a goal throughout.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

One other thing though, NK did dismantle a test site, and then today announced dismantling a rocket facility (i believe, but waiting to see confirmation) Yes those are both steps that can be reversed, but so can holding training excersises. And I promise one thing, while we will know if they try to rebuild, our armed forces and SK's are more than ready even with one training cycle cancelled. I would call these steps on both sides decent good faith efforts, and hopefully they lead to a verifiable, lasting peace.



I did read the texts of the Panmounjung accord from earlier this year and the agreement text from yesterday. There is still wiggle room, and I imagine if NK decides to get out of the deal, our next practices will be pretty damn intense.



What hasn't been addressed at all in any of the texts is how NK/SK become one Korea again, even it is stated as a goal throughout.

If you further read up on the dismantling of the “test” site. It is one of hundreds AND more importantly it had served its purpose and was no longer necessary. NK put their propaganda spin on it being some olive branch of peace and Fox news ran with it because they want Trump to look like a peace maker. Lol. NK and SK will never be one Korea as long as a murderous dictatorship is running NK and for Trump to say that he is impressed with Jung Un for being able to take over and run it in a “tough” way does nothing towards a goal of world peace. It hinders it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Punch, I agree with your point to a degree. I think though it goes back to who trusted who. In my opinion, Pres Obama would sell out the US capitalistic beliefs in a heartbeat, and when he made treaties, he was looking for us to move towards more socialism, and his deals often if not always favored our opponents. In my opinion, Trump is looking for more capitalistic, US friendly or US win deals.

If the same exact events happened under Pres Obama, I would have felt far less secure and far more like he was selling us out. I don't believe Pompeo, or Bolton are going to be taken by surprise and I believe they are going to help ensure that any treaties that may be signed are truly verifiable.

I would also add that the exact same in reverse could be said about CNN/MSNBC hosts, IF Pres Obama had made these exact same actions, CNN and MSNBC would have been slobbering over him.

[punch it in]

Can you imagine if Roosevelt had flattered Hitler, or how about if Obama had called Bin Laden a “smart cookie” or said he respected him? I bet you if you polled the Trumpers today that they would give higher marks to Jung Un than Obama. What is going on with our Presidency is absolute lunacy. No more. No less. For some reason this guy who has spent his life conning Americans (ill spare you the list of examples), is now getting a pass on anything and everything he does and says simply because his base does not like the black dude or the woman who he ran against. This is not a personal remark directed at you or chico or anyone on this board but at the majority of his base.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Can you imagine if Roosevelt had flattered Hitler, or how about if Obama had called Bin Laden a “smart cookie” or said he respected him? I bet you if you polled the Trumpers today that they would give higher marks to Jung Un than Obama. What is going on with our Presidency is absolute lunacy. No more. No less. For some reason this guy who has spent his life conning Americans (ill spare you the list of examples), is now getting a pass on anything and everything he does and says simply because his base does not like the black dude or the woman who he ran against. This is not a personal remark directed at you or chico or anyone on this board but at the majority of his base.

They use to call Reagan the teflon presidency, but fact is he did a lot of good things.

Trump is no Reagan, but he is the most anti-socialism/ pro capitalistic Realpolitik president since Reagan. And that is a refreshing change to a lot of Trump's base that doesn't think global, socialistic world views should be the people running the USA. They can run the rest of the world into a socialistic dumpster fire, just let us be Muricans.

[CRedskinsRule]

We will see. They haven't said which engine test site is being dismantled, and how it will be verified.

So far, I think it is positive steps, but only if they go down the right path. If they don't we haven't committed to any type of irreversible move so we will be right back at Defcon 1

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

We will see. They haven't said which engine test site is being dismantled, and how it will be verified.



So far, I think it is positive steps, but only if they go down the right path. If they don't we haven't committed to any type of irreversible move so we will be right back at Defcon 1

Right. Though You still haven’t discussed my initial point which was how come the same people championing Trumps small step, scoffed and ridiculed Obama for merely mentioning face to face diplomacy with Jung Un?

[CRedskinsRule]

Actually, I did. I said I kind of agree with your point. But it works in the reverse as well. If President Obama did this same type of action MSNBC and CNN and their ilk would be singing his Praises for striving to open the hermit Kingdom up. And fox would I agree be demonizing President Obama's actions.

Originally Posted by punch it in

Right. Though You still haven’t discussed my initial point which was how come the same people championing Trumps small step, scoffed and ridiculed Obama for merely mentioning face to face diplomacy with Jung Un?

It really goes to the two points of views that exist it's why Trump is such a polarizer. One set of views holds socialism and socialistic economic principles are more important than capitalistic Market principles. One set of views holds that you need to build community by being a community organizer while the other viewpoint holds that you offer tasty carrots and strong sticks. I think that President Trump offered strong sticks and tasty carrots, hopefully the hermit Kingdom chooses to go down the path of tasty carrots. we will only see which one as this progresses. I do believe this is a good first step on both sides.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Actually, I did. I said I kind of agree with your point. But it works in the reverse as well. If President Obama did this same type of action MSNBC and CNN and their ilk would be singing his Praises for striving to open the hermit Kingdom up. And fox would I agree be demonizing President Obama's actions.It really goes to the two points of views that exist it's why Trump is such a polarizer. One set of views holds socialism and socialistic economic principles are more important than capitalistic Market principles. One set of views holds that you need to build community by being a community organizer while the other viewpoint holds that you offer tasty carrots and strong sticks. I think that President Trump offered strong sticks and tasty carrots, hopefully the hermit Kingdom chooses to go down the path of tasty carrots. we will only see which one as this progresses. I do believe this is a good first step on both sides.

My bad. I see that now. The first response i saw from you was actually your second response. Pitfall of using my iphone i guess. 🧐

[punch it in]

He also called our military drills “provocative “. Wow. Just wow. Got a murderous dictator launching missiles and building nukes and our military presence is provocative? Holy crap if Obama had said that the GOP would be marching towards the oval office with torches to hang the traitor.
That is about as weak and spineless as it gets. You have the chance to posture while the world is watching and you undermine your own countries military operations. Unreal.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

He also called our military drills “provocative “. Wow. Just wow. Got a murderous dictator launching missiles and building nukes and our military presence is provocative? Holy crap if Obama had said that the GOP would be marching towards the oval office with torches to hang the traitor.
That is about as weak and spineless as it gets. You have the chance to posture while the world is watching and you undermine your own countries military operations. Unreal.

But, what if, and i know it hasn't yet, but what if it works, and 3 years from now we have a verified peace, with no spectre of war on that peninsula, would that the ends have made his actions more palatable?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

But, what if, and i know it hasn't yet, but what if it works, and 3 years from now we have a verified peace, with no spectre of war on that peninsula, would that the ends have made his actions more palatable?

Are you asking the biggest liberal in the world if I like the idea of bringing troops home, shutting the door on our military options and it resulting in Jung Un coming to his senses and we all go on living happily ever after. Um....yeah that sounds good. Lol.
Problem is Jung Un is a murderous dictator and Trump told the world he “loves his people “. He also followed up on his military comments by saying “practice is expensive “ - so if we do stop those military options- we better hope to God that this crazy mother fucker (jung un, not Trump - lol) better be so softened up by Trumps soft ass words that he indeed changes his tune and suddenly becomes some sort of Santa Clause. But even the worlds biggest liberal isn’t fooled by Jung Un taking a selfie and shaking a hand. The guy is probably lining up a firing squad right now and printing stamps of his photo op he just had. NO I DO NOT TRUST JUNG UN. Trump just blew sunshine up some monsters ass for the world to see. We looked extremely week, and him calling him names on Twitter in a couple months when Jung Un doesn’t even entertain denuclearization isn’t good enough.
Sometimes there just is no solution. We have been holding a presence at the DMZ forever. He fires rockets into the ocean. The world goes on. Now Trump has tried insulting him for the world to see. Trump has tried to kiss his ass for the world to see. But now what happens the next time he tests a rocket? Than you just might wish Trump had left well enough alone. Because there are a whole lot of innocent people that live within striking distance of that hornets nest.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

But, what if, and i know it hasn't yet, but what if it works, and 3 years from now we have a verified peace, with no spectre of war on that peninsula, would that the ends have made his actions more palatable?

I understand your question but this man murdered his own family members to stay in power and has killed his own people ,sorry no what if's for me.

[punch it in]

For all of those who shy away from fake news. Here is their favorite channel of hypocrites.
https://nowthisnews.com/videos/polit...th-north-korea

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

For all of those who shy away from fake news. Here is their favorite channel of hypocrites.
https://nowthisnews.com/videos/polit...th-north-korea

LOL, this will go over well!


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