Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

My thinking right now is that we will non-exclusive franchise tag Cousins this year because we can likely match the majority of offers that are signed for him and take the value if we decide not to match.

If we lose Kirk, it will be to the... Browns.

Everyone is thinking that SF because of Kyle tie in, but I believe it will be the Browns who will sign that offer sheet because they have the ammo and the reasoning.

They can trade the 1st overall pick and still pick in the first round at 12. The also have multiple 2nd round picks and the most cap space. If they want to do an outright trade they have the ammunition to make that happen.

Last year the Browns racked up multiple picks in this draft and if they don't make the right decisions this year that management will be fired.

I don't think we lose Kirk Cousins to anybody, but if it were to happen, it would be interesting that the Browns wind up getting both of our 2012 quarterback draft picks. I'm sure there's still a small sec of Redskins fans who would say to straight up trade Cousins for RGIII back, lol!

What if there was some weird three way trade where the 'skins jettisoned Cousins to the 49ers, the 49ers make some weird trade with New England in which Jimmy Garoppolo wound up heading to Washington? Could you imagine the nightmare of trying to spell his name right in these forums?

[Kope]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Could you imagine the nightmare of trying to spell his name right in these forums?

Garo? Polo!

That isnt too hard to spell really.....

bad, bad, bad, pun. Sorry, bored at work.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Kope

Garo? Polo!

That isnt too hard to spell really.....

bad, bad, bad, pun. Sorry, bored at work.

LOL! Hmmmm.....Jimmy Marco! Now that might have a ring to it.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Lions? They seem to have a pretty solid quarterback in Mathew Stafford.

Right now they do, absolutely. I'm talking in terms of how many titles they've won off the strength of their elite quarterbacks.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I think he meant Bills, Jets, Rams.....IDK

I was talking about any team that has spent more than a person's lifetime and never won a championship. Championship caliber qb's are hard to find. Kirk represents our best chance to win one in the next 5-10 years. If you give him up it might be decades before we find another one. Sure that seems unreasonable but I'm gonna bet after '91 nobody thought it would take 25+ seasons to find another franchise qb.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by mooby

I was talking about any team that has spent more than a person's lifetime and never won a championship. Championship caliber qb's are hard to find. Kirk represents our best chance to win one in the next 5-10 years. If you give him up it might be decades before we find another one. Sure that seems unreasonable but I'm gonna bet after '91 nobody thought it would take 25+ seasons to find another franchise qb.

What about Brad Johnson? But Snyder screwed that up too

[mooby]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

What about Brad Johnson? But Snyder screwed that up too

I was about 11 years old in '99, and I remember 2000 as being the year my dad had season tickets and I got into football, but the Redskins went 8-8 that year and then Johnson left and went on to win a SB with the Bucs. But my point is, according to the stats BJ had a great season in '99 and then a subpar year in 2000 which is why we released him. So in hindsight, yeah he could have been a great qb? Someone more knowledgeable about this can answer this better than me, but I guess my main point is, we let him go because he was coming off a bad year. Kirk's year, last game included, is far from a bad year. A bad year is RG3 2013/14, Beck/Grossman/McNabb 2010-2011, Jason Campbell multiple years, Patrick Ramsey/Mark Brunell every year not including 2005, any of the 2000-2005 years with what seems like 12 different qb's, any of the 92-98 years (admittedly before my time so feel free to correct me if I am wrong), etc.

That's a super fucking real alternative based off factual history. Much like a certain presidential candidate this "why not let him go" thing seems to be gaining traction despite an overwhelming mound of evidence as to why it shouldn't happen, least of all being the NFL typically has at least half the teams with uncertain qb solutions every single year. We give up Kirk, we go from the haves to have nots. We go from square 3, on a scale of 5, back to square 1.

[Brody81]

https://twitter.com/nfl/status/832048137875238914


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[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Brody81

https://twitter.com/nfl/status/832048137875238914


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Thanks for posting this video. I think Willie McGinest is 100% correct. He stated the case for Kirk eloquently and succinctly.

FWIW, here's where I stand on the issue:

- Both Kirk Cousins and Jay Gruden must be retained and extended.

- Anything other than a long-term deal for Kirk would be plain stupid on the part of the Redskins. They need to get this done.

- Kirk continues to get better in this offensive system, yet there still seems to be some doubt about Jay Gruden being retained past this season. That is utterly preposterous. Jay Gruden has done a very good job. He must be extended so that his system can be retained and perfected by the on-field leader of this team, Kirk Cousins.

It is so easy to envision what this team can become if Dan Snyder keeps the same QB and HC in place that I'd like to think even Dan Snyder couldn't f*** this up.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

I was about 11 years old in '99, and I remember 2000 as being the year my dad had season tickets and I got into football, but the Redskins went 8-8 that year and then Johnson left and went on to win a SB with the Bucs. But my point is, according to the stats BJ had a great season in '99 and then a subpar year in 2000 which is why we released him. So in hindsight, yeah he could have been a great qb? Someone more knowledgeable about this can answer this better than me, but I guess my main point is, we let him go because he was coming off a bad year. Kirk's year, last game included, is far from a bad year. A bad year is RG3 2013/14, Beck/Grossman/McNabb 2010-2011, Jason Campbell multiple years, Patrick Ramsey/Mark Brunell every year not including 2005, any of the 2000-2005 years with what seems like 12 different qb's, any of the 92-98 years (admittedly before my time so feel free to correct me if I am wrong), etc.

That's a super fucking real alternative based off factual history. Much like a certain presidential candidate this "why not let him go" thing seems to be gaining traction despite an overwhelming mound of evidence as to why it shouldn't happen, least of all being the NFL typically has at least half the teams with uncertain qb solutions every single year. We give up Kirk, we go from the haves to have nots. We go from square 3, on a scale of 5, back to square 1.

Brad Johnson was a solid, decent quarterback. Never was going to be great IMO. He always seemed to put up good numbers though, but when you start thinking about Super Bowl winning quarterbacks, he's kind of like Trent Dilfer, he's not going to be a quarterback you think of initially.

Snyder was very, very dumb in getting rid of Brad Johnson. But then again, the way that front office was in those early years under this ownership, nothing surprised me. I thought he was also very dumb in getting rid of Charley Casserly. I thought Casserly had put together a decent team for Turner and it darn near got to the NFC Championship game in the '99 playoffs. But anyway, back to Brad Johnson. I always felt Johnson was a solid quarterback who was never going to be elite. He's an example of being good enough that if he's placed on a team with a solid group built around him, he's going to produce for you. Just like Kirk Cousins. I think Kirk Cousins has the potential of being much better than Brad Johnson ever was, but I think to produce Super Bowls, he can't put a team on his back like a Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, or a Tom Brady. He needs that good supporting cast around him.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Thanks for posting this video. I think Willie McGinest is 100% correct. He stated the case for Kirk eloquently and succinctly.

FWIW, here's where I stand on the issue:

- Both Kirk Cousins and Jay Gruden must be retained and extended.

- Anything other than a long-term deal for Kirk would be plain stupid on the part of the Redskins. They need to get this done.

- Kirk continues to get better in this offensive system, yet there still seems to be some doubt about Jay Gruden being retained past this season. That is utterly preposterous. Jay Gruden has done a very good job. He must be extended so that his system can be retained and perfected by the on-field leader of this team, Kirk Cousins.

It is so easy to envision what this team can become if Dan Snyder keeps the same QB and HC in place that I'd like to think even Dan Snyder couldn't f*** this up.

I said earlier (while we were still looking for a DC), that to send a good message to potential coaching candidates as well as to the team, the Redskins brass needs to go ahead and extend Jay Gruden's contract. They could arrange the extension to where there's an out if need be, but it sends a message that they're keeping the group together and feel like it's building to something special. There are times that I think Jay Gruden has screwed up situational football, but there are other teams when I feel he displays that "gunslinger" mentality in his coaching and is going to be aggressive, because that's what it takes to win the game. Such as going back to the first game against the Giants. He coached very aggressive in that game, because well, if you're going to go 0-3, might as well go down swinging. He wound up winning that game which got the 'skins on a 4 game winning streak. So, I think overall, Gruden needs to stay and needs to be extended.

Having said all of that. Same approach with Cousins. While I think it's highly likely they tag him, I really think they need to sign him to a long term deal and be done with it. I think they also need to try their best to keep both Garcon and Jackson.

[CRedskinsRule]

Well, I hope this bodes well:

https://twitter.com/Redskins/status/831972117986017281

.@KirkCousins8 had a career year in 2016. The QB is primed to be a @PFF Top 101 player next season.

📚: Kirk Cousins Is Primed To Be A (PFF-Graded) Top NFL Player in 2017

[SolidSnake84]

Someone i believe already posted the link earlier, but in case not, here we go. Looks like we are trying as hard as we can to mess up the Cousins situation.

Here is an article that says we may not even begin negotiations at the Franchise tag price. No way Kirk accepts that after making a higher salary last season:

Don't expect Redskins to offer top QB market price to Kirk Cousins, analyst says | CSN Mid-Atlantic

This one basically says there is now rumored "resistance" (AKA DAN SNYDER) on giving Cousins the tag, and suggests the skins might just be content letting Kirk test Free Agency. (Translation: He's gone)

Report: 'Internal resistance' in Washington to giving Kirk Cousins franchise tag - Sportsnaut.com

[mredskins]

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by mooby

Go ask the Cards, the Lions, and the Browns if waiting for the right qb is working out for them. I think you are forgetting football is a team sport, you can win a SB with a great team and a decent qb. We don't need Kirk to be the next Brady, which it seems is what you're asking for. You're also forgetting that those teams in the 80's played in a very different NFL than today. The rules today are geared towards higher scoring offenses which demand at minimum above-average qb play. Kirk has shown he can do that. Quit trying to blame the entire Giants game on him, the entire team looked bad that day.

dude . . . you guys are the one saying he had a bad game because of contract pressure . . . not me . . . all i said was he had a bad game period . . . and that IF you guys are correct, then he is not a good fit at QB