Dwayne Haskins

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by MTK

Haskins was 100% Snyder’s pick and some still think Gruden or anyone else will make the call as to who starts?? LOL


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was it ever confirmed Haskins was "100%" Snyder's pick? This was a rampant rumor on draft day, but beat reporters seemed to back off/debunk this in the days following the draft.

As with every player, different people within the organization had different opinions on Haskins' draft value... And part of that difference of opinion dealt with how long people thought it would take him to be NFL-ready. If you think a guy can start day 1, you're going to draft him higher than if you think he needs to sit a year.

So even if, as those initial reports claimed, every single coach and scout and front office guy was against Haskins at 15, but Snyder "took control of the first round" and overruled them all, that does not correlate to Snyder making the decision on when he starts. Its entirely possible Snyder wanted to get his franchise QB of the future at 15, but he'll let the coaches decide when he plays.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

was it ever confirmed Haskins was "100%" Snyder's pick? This was a rampant rumor on draft day, but beat reporters seemed to back off/debunk this in the days following the draft.

As with every player, different people within the organization had different opinions on Haskins' draft value... And part of that difference of opinion dealt with how long people thought it would take him to be NFL-ready. If you think a guy can start day 1, you're going to draft him higher than if you think he needs to sit a year.

So even if, as those initial reports claimed, every single coach and scout and front office guy was against Haskins at 15, but Snyder "took control of the first round" and overruled them all, that does not correlate to Snyder making the decision on when he starts. Its entirely possible Snyder wanted to get his franchise QB of the future at 15, but he'll let the coaches decide when he plays.

I thought it was pretty clear the football people didn't want Haskins at #15. There was more than enough smoke there to call it Snyder's fire.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

I thought it was pretty clear the football people didn't want Haskins at #15. There was more than enough smoke there to call it Snyder's fire.

Not arguing whether this is accurate or not, but that's surprising if true. I thought Haskins, as a warpath paid expert, at 15 was an easy choice.

[sdskinsfan2001]

^^^

Still can't believe we got Sweat in the 1st round. We could have picked anyone at 15 that was a reasonable choice, and with Sweat included, I would have loved the 1st round.

Note - I originally wanted Lock (would have been pumped with him at 15), but every team passed on him in round 1, so looks like I was off. I'm sold on Haskins now tho. Excited to watch him play. I always am intrested in preseason, but this year its ramped up a notch.

[Schneed10]

I still don't see Snyder and Allen telling Jay to start Haskins, unless it's a tie breaking situation. They all know they were 6-3 last year when the roster was healthy. The defense was playing well, and they were running the ball effectively with Trent and Scherff on the field. They're going to be looking to get back to that.

The style of play will reveal itself in the preseason, we'll see that the makings of a competitive defense is there, and we'll see that (provided the Trent situation gets resolved) the running game is there.

Snyder, Allen, Gruden and Doug will all quickly merge onto the same page with the realization that if they can keep the roster healthy, they just need the QB to do the same things Alex did last year.

It's easy to sit here in June and say oh Snyder makes the decision, so Haskins starts. And maybe he still is influencing things more than I think. But even if he is, the reality is they'll go through camp and preseason which they'll all watch, and the style of play and the build of the team will influence all thinking.

The only way Haskins starts is if he proves himself to be the best in camp. Y'all forget what football is actually like.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I still don't see Snyder and Allen telling Jay to start Haskins, unless it's a tie breaking situation. They all know they were 6-3 last year when the roster was healthy. The defense was playing well, and they were running the ball effectively with Trent and Scherff on the field. They're going to be looking to get back to that.



The style of play will reveal itself in the preseason, we'll see that the makings of a competitive defense is there, and we'll see that (provided the Trent situation gets resolved) the running game is there.



Snyder, Allen, Gruden and Doug will all quickly merge onto the same page with the realization that if they can keep the roster healthy, they just need the QB to do the same things Alex did last year.



It's easy to sit here in June and say oh Snyder makes the decision, so Haskins starts. And maybe he still is influencing things more than I think. But even if he is, the reality is they'll go through camp and preseason which they'll all watch, and the style of play and the build of the team will influence all thinking.



The only way Haskins starts is if he proves himself to be the best in camp. Y'all forget what football is actually like.

Forgot? Nah, we remember.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/30/wa...i-kirk-cousins

https://www.roanoke.com/sports/natio...11b55861b.html

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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Forgot? Nah, we remember.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/30/wa...i-kirk-cousins

https://www.roanoke.com/sports/natio...11b55861b.html

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And who started that year? Jay's guy.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And who started that year? Jay's guy.

Was Robert Mike's guy in 2013?

Why do you say Kirk was Jay's guy?

All the insiders say Colt is and was Jay's guy and Jay had already benched Kirk in favor of Colt.

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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Was Robert Mike's guy in 2013?

Why do you say Kirk was Jay's guy?

All the insiders say Colt is and was Jay's guy and Jay had already benched Kirk in favor of Colt.

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Your history is just a little off. Not at that time - the question at that point was RGIII vs Kirk, and Jay emphatically declared "it's Kirk's team" in the preseason that year, which led to 29 TDs and 11 INTs that season.

Colt is definitely loved by Jay now, but Jay never considered Colt in 2015. I think Jay would love to see Colt win the job this year, but he also knows Colt hasn't been able to stay healthy anytime he's given him a shot.

Jay is truly in QB competition mode now. He knows Colt knows the offense the best, he also knows Colt has never been durable. He also knows Haskins has nice ability but he's going to look like a rookie. And he also knows he needs to see a lot more of Keenum in his system before he can make a call.

Jay needs more information. As does everyone in the front office. They'll all wait to see how it plays out in camp and the preseason.

[Schneed10]

Here come the tin foil hats. Fuck's sake.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Here come the tin foil hats. Fuck's sake.

All I did was point out that you were guessing at something you were guessing at.

Is there any report that Jay actually had a choice between Kirk and Colt at that time?

An ad hominem argument is easier than saying your source is the feeling you have deep down in your heart though.

[mooby]

Why don't we change the subject back to Haskins, seeing as how we are arguing about a subject that won't have a clear cut answer until all parties involved are ancient history with the Redskins.

Judging by this thread it seems the early reports on Haskins are great. Hard working kid, gets it, wants to be great, etc. I think that's fantastic and want nothing but the best for him.

Which is why this SI article that uses Haskins as an example is so concerning to me.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/19/sn...parents-sports

Originally Posted by Sports Illustrated

Call it the age of the sportsplow parent. And as ever, job one is controlling the narrative. On draft night Dwayne Sr. handpicked the media members allowed access. Earlier that afternoon, he had assembled the H&H team over lunch at Red Lobster to go over final details for his staff, mostly family and friends. “Every person that is out in the front or in the lobby, make sure you engage, shake hands and show everybody your pearly-white teeth,” Haskins said as he flashed an exaggerated smile. “Can we all do that? Let’s practice that now.” The precise greeting language is typed up on the meeting’s eight-part agenda: “Welcome to the Haskins family draft party! Dreams do come true!”

One by one, everyone at the table repeated the line.

When Washington picked Haskins Jr. at No. 15, the QB stepped in front of the camera for an interview with ESPN. This was his moment, the one he’d been working toward since he was nine years old. As he started to talk, his dad sidled into the broadcast shot, looming over his shoulder and nodding along in his white H&H cap.

This is some serious cringe-worthy shit. To be clear, I don't mind if Haskins Sr. wants to run the marketing ops for Haskins Jr. But if he ever crosses that line into Lavar Ball territory where he wants himself or Haskins Jr. to be involved in organizational decisions, I would be done with Haskins Sr.

Haskins Jr. will not be able to succeed if Haskins Sr. is out clearing the road of every potential road block for him. Part of succeeding is learning to overcome failure. Helicopter parenting might be able to slide in the little leagues, but it's concerning to hear that it's making its' way into the pro leagues (and if you think it isn't you need to read that entire article).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

Why don't we change the subject back to Haskins, seeing as how we are arguing about a subject that won't have a clear cut answer until all parties involved are ancient history with the Redskins.

Judging by this thread it seems the early reports on Haskins are great. Hard working kid, gets it, wants to be great, etc. I think that's fantastic and want nothing but the best for him.

Which is why this SI article that uses Haskins as an example is so concerning to me.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/19/sn...parents-sports



This is some serious cringe-worthy shit. To be clear, I don't mind if Haskins Sr. wants to run the marketing ops for Haskins Jr. But if he ever crosses that line into Lavar Ball territory where he wants himself or Haskins Jr. to be involved in organizational decisions, I would be done with Haskins Sr.

Haskins Jr. will not be able to succeed if Haskins Sr. is out clearing the road of every potential road block for him. Part of succeeding is learning to overcome failure. Helicopter parenting might be able to slide in the little leagues, but it's concerning to hear that it's making its' way into the pro leagues (and if you think it isn't you need to read that entire article).

Truly cringe worthy but we are finding this more and more with parents and young superstars. It’s not about sports anymore, it’s about building brands and making money period.

It’s the Lebron effect, he saw what Jordan did and trying to one up him not with basketball but brand. And he has set the tone because the revenue stream options are ten times more these days than 30 years ago.

Of course dads all in...many are.

[Schneed10]

What's irritating though is the implied notion that the dichotomy between the football people and others has anything to do with Snyder meddling. I look at it as your typical balance between short term views and long term views.

Jay Gruden doesn't have time to wait for a rookie QB, so it's natural for him to lobby for an impact pass rusher at 15.

The front office has the long view, having a QB on a rookie contract offers a window of opportunity to build up the roster and make a run in the next 5 years before you have to pay him big QB money.

The long view won. Is that Snyder meddling, or is it just the typical balance you need to have when your coach's incentives are colored by the immediate need to win to earn a contract extension?

It's not like the Haskins pick was panned as a reach. Snyder has not been a good owner but I refuse to kill him over this one.

[KI Skins Fan]

I'm drinking the Haskins-flavored Kool Aid by the gallon. If Dan Snyder overruled the football people to pick Haskins at #15 then I say "Thanks, Dan!".