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[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Whoever thought that going into a season with John Beck and Rex Grossman as the only quarterbacks would come back to bite us?

Let's revisit this argument in 3 weeks. Beck finally gets a chance to show us what he can do. My only real request of either QB has been don't turn the ball over. At this point in the teams development I can deal with not having 300 yard 3 TD 0 int games. What I can't deal with is the stupid Int's and fumbles (1st Int wasn't that bad of a deal until Trent lost his temper).

[44ever]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Whoever thought that going into a season with John Beck and Rex Grossman as the only quarterbacks would come back to bite us?

I dont think we should put Beck and Grossman in the same category until Beck is given a chance to prove himself. Grossman had his chance and failed as expected. (By some of us)

There is always the chance that Beck can do some good. He without a doubt makes Grossman look like slow motion.

I think given the chance Beck can lead the Redskins. He just seems to have much more raw talent and awareness than Grossman.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44ever

I dont think we should put Beck and Grossman in the same category until Beck is given a chance to prove himself. Grossman had his chance and failed as expected. (By some of us)

There is always the chance that Beck can do some good. He without a doubt makes Grossman look like slow motion.

I think given the chance Beck can lead the Redskins. He just seems to have much more raw talent and awareness than Grossman.

If today didn't provide enough evidence that Beck can't make the throws necessary to lead the offense, this is going to be a long season of trying to explain to people that the QB situation sucks.

Look, John Beck lost a QB competition to Rex Grossman five years into his career. Might the Redskins have no choice but to turn to Beck and hope for the best? Perhaps. Does that mean that our offense is so incredibly limited that we have no choice but to play a career backup? That's the obvious read here.

If the offense is so inept that Grossman is going to be put in bad situations where he can turn the ball over all season, then it's not an offense that is going to make Beck a success story. If we're making a quarterback change to limit the damaged caused by the quarterback, then fine, play John Beck.

But then we need to realize that the bar for the offense is being set at "I hope we have fewer turnovers than touchdowns." Such is the only standard in which Beck can achieve success.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If today didn't provide enough evidence that Beck can't make the throws necessary to lead the offense, this is going to be a long season of trying to explain to people that the QB situation sucks.

Look, John Beck lost a QB competition to Rex Grossman five years into his career. Might the Redskins have no choice but to turn to Beck and hope for the best? Perhaps. Does that mean that our offense is so incredibly limited that we have no choice but to play a career backup? That's the obvious read here.

If the offense is so inept that Grossman is going to be put in bad situations where he can turn the ball over all season, then it's not an offense that is going to make Beck a success story. If we're making a quarterback change to limit the damaged caused by the quarterback, then fine, play John Beck.

But then we need to realize that the bar for the offense is being set at "I hope we have fewer turnovers than touchdowns." Such is the only standard in which Beck can achieve success.

I've seen Beck make the throws he didn't make today, iv'e also seen the WR's like Gaffney and Stallworth make the catches they didn't make either. You guys are reading between the lines to much.

Out of 15 throws. I remember 4 being dropped, and he completed 8. He also put together our ONLY touchdown drive of the game. I'm not saying Beck is the next Elway because I have no idea, but that goes the same for a guy saying a QB cannot make the throws and we are limited to average play from him by seeing those "15 throws"

He came in and did what he could with what he was given. How about we give it till next week to start calling out what we think Beck is right now?

I remember people saying Alex Smith couldn't do it.... Just saying...

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If today didn't provide enough evidence that Beck can't make the throws necessary to lead the offense, this is going to be a long season of trying to explain to people that the QB situation sucks.

Look, John Beck lost a QB competition to Rex Grossman five years into his career. Might the Redskins have no choice but to turn to Beck and hope for the best? Perhaps. Does that mean that our offense is so incredibly limited that we have no choice but to play a career backup? That's the obvious read here.

If the offense is so inept that Grossman is going to be put in bad situations where he can turn the ball over all season, then it's not an offense that is going to make Beck a success story. If we're making a quarterback change to limit the damaged caused by the quarterback, then fine, play John Beck.

But then we need to realize that the bar for the offense is being set at "I hope we have fewer turnovers than touchdowns." Such is the only standard in which Beck can achieve success.

Ummmm you start Beck because you have the worse QB in the league leading the offense. I really dont think this is really that complicated. A) were not building for the future with Rex b) Rex statiscally has been the worse or near the worse QB in the league. c) What do we have to lose, we are 3-2. We werent lead to that record because of Rex.

[Bucket]

I'm in it for Beck.. No matter if we lose every game. I don't wan't to see Grossman ever again.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If today didn't provide enough evidence that Beck can't make the throws necessary to lead the offense

It sure didn't for me.
I expect a nervous/amped up back-up in Beck shoes to look shaky early, the dude is basically a rookie albeit a few season removed.
But, you gotta admit he made some nice throws, some clutch throws.
He showed his mobility and he made some plays to avoid sacks.

..............."I hope we have fewer turnovers than touchdowns." Such is the only standard in which Beck can achieve success.

I'm note sure how anyone can know Beck's ceiling? He could on be safe game managers don't 'screw it up' type QB or he could be an Andy Dalson/Ryan Fitpatrick.

[pg86]

Originally Posted by 30gut

It sure didn't for me.
I expect a nervous/amped up back-up in Beck shoes to look shaky early, the dude is basically a rookie albeit a few season removed.
But, you gotta admit he made some nice throws, some clutch throws.
He showed his mobility and he made some plays to avoid sacks.

I'm note sure how anyone can know Beck's ceiling? He could on be safe game managers don't 'screw it up' type QB or he could be an Andy Dalson/Ryan Fitpatrick.

Im sorta with you 30gut...What in the hell have we seen from beck to make this assesment that he's not gonna be better than rex?

Hey History of this team shows we just need a guy that can manage the game and run the playbook there are only 2 QB's in the Hall from this team correct? And Most of us weren't around to see them play (if you are old enough to remember Sammy Baugh I'd love to know your longevity secrets) Beck tossed up a few game equalizers our recievers needed to hold on. If anything I'd say we inserted him a wee bit too late....The test is next week...If Beck comes out and plays like Mr.Brady were gonna haave to eat alot of crow here.

Grossman is done.....if Beck does bad I suppose we'll see Crompton (did he make the roster?)

[4mrusmc]

Sorry, but I have to say this again; F this team!!! There I feel better, now I can go back to my life.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

Sorry, but I have to say this again; F this team!!! There I feel better, now I can go back to my life.

Go join a Dallas board troll. All you people that b!t@# and complain make me sick. We are rebuilding this team. We have a great start this year. We have added a lot of terrific pieces via FA and drafts but Rome wasn't built in a day. We can't rebuild and fix all of our deficiencies in one year.

Shanny didn't see a QB he liked this year so he fixed other problems. We are doing better to this point than a lot of people expected anyway. We will draft a QB early in next years draft and you all won't have to complain about Beck or Grossman for a lot longer.

So be happy we are moving towards the light instead of deeper in a hole like we were under Cerrato. THERE! NOW I FEEL BETTER!!!!

[SFREDSKIN]

I hope no one posts "trade for
Orton", he is not the
Answer. The QB position will be
Addressed next year with our 1st round
Pick in the draft.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I hope no one posts "trade for
Orton", he is not the
Answer. The QB position will be
Addressed next year with our 1st round
Pick in the draft.

Unfortunately though people have to realize that drafting a QB as a means of upgrading the position is a one step backward two steps forward type deal unless the QB's name is Andrew Luck and we are not touching Andrew Luck. I'm seeing a lot of people that think it would be an instant upgrade when in all liklihood it would not be (part of the reason I've always been in sort of a hurry to draft a QB).

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Unfortunately though people have to realize that drafting a QB as a means of upgrading the position is a one step backward two steps forward type deal unless the QB's name is Andrew Luck and we are not touching Andrew Luck. I'm seeing a lot of people that think it would be an instant upgrade when in all liklihood it would not be (part of the reason I've always been in sort of a hurry to draft a QB).

People do that for every position. They are simply are not trained to think it terms of probabilities of success. Mike Shanahan is no fool. Drafting a QB is a commitment with a certain degree of risk. If you're going to take one, you better be confident you scouted him out right or else you're better off getting some stars for other positions on your team.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Unfortunately though people have to realize that drafting a QB as a means of upgrading the position is a one step backward two steps forward type deal unless the QB's name is Andrew Luck and we are not touching Andrew Luck. I'm seeing a lot of people that think it would be an instant upgrade when in all liklihood it would not be (part of the reason I've always been in sort of a hurry to draft a QB).

This is why I expect to see a total overhaul of the QB position in the offseason. I expect that at this time next year we have neither Rex nor Beck. Instead we will have a steady if unspectacular vet starting while our golden rookie learns.

[diehard]

In actuality, things are perhaps going according to plan.