When is Enough ,Enough?

Chico23231 · 05-09-2018, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

trump makes this country and the office of the President look like shit,why shouldn't I be mad about that?

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punch it in · 05-09-2018, 02:28 PM

Even if that were all as honky dory as you think it is than give credit to the party like I said. Trump deserves about as much credit for any talk of denuclearization as Obama does for capturing Bin Laden. Less actually because Trump was to busy calling him names on Twitter to have had absolutely anything at all to do with any of it. Also for the last time Un has pulled this peace on earth bullshit before. But as soon as he launches his next rocket im sure the trumpers will find a way to blame Nancy Pelosi or Obama or Giant one or libtards or blah blah blah

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punch it in · 05-09-2018, 02:50 PM

Everyone very quiet about Iran too. How convenient. But at-least the idiot was able to rip up something from Obama. I mean who cares what it was.

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Giantone · 05-09-2018, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Everyone very quiet about Iran too. How convenient. But at-least the idiot was able to rip up something from Obama. I mean who cares what it was.

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Trump manage to do what everyone thought Iran would do, renege on a peace deal,again trump has thrown all our friends under the bus.

Chico23231 · 05-10-2018, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Everyone very quiet about Iran too. How convenient. But at-least the idiot was able to rip up something from Obama. I mean who cares what it was.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/u...lear-deal.html

"Chuck Schumer Opposes Iran Nuclear Deal, Shaking Democratic Firewall"

The deal Chuck Schumer and other ranking Dems opposed then, but now have flip flopped on?

punch it in · 05-10-2018, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/u...lear-deal.html

"Chuck Schumer Opposes Iran Nuclear Deal, Shaking Democratic Firewall"

The deal Chuck Schumer and other ranking Dems opposed then, but now have flip flopped on?

Oh man. Such a tit for tat with you folks. Lol. First of all who cares what Schumer thought about it 3 years ago? Because I dont like Trump I must like Schumer?
Second of all I bet I could dig up an article about some republican who flip flopped on it too just the other way.
Third of all - and most importantly NOBODY is saying they thought the deal is or was perfect. EVERYONE thinks the deal should be amended now. BUT now that it was in place you dont just have an Obama fueled temper tantrum and rip it up with NOTHING in place of it. Which is probably why Iran was shooting rockets this morning already. Bravo. Great job.

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CRedskinsRule · 05-10-2018, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

... Which is probably why Iran was shooting rockets this morning already. ....

Iran and Israel have been trading barbs and hostilities in their Syrian proxy war for years. I agree the timing of this launch was them throwing a tantrum, to use your phrase, but it underlines a part of why the deal was a bad deal. Iran is a bad actor in the region. They are doing what they can to hurt, attack and diminish US allies and power there.

You don't defeat dictators by coddling their desires. You beat them by stacking your strength against theirs and winning.

Chico23231 · 05-11-2018, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Oh man. Such a tit for tat with you folks. Lol. First of all who cares what Schumer thought about it 3 years ago? Because I dont like Trump I must like Schumer?
Second of all I bet I could dig up an article about some republican who flip flopped on it too just the other way.
Third of all - and most importantly NOBODY is saying they thought the deal is or was perfect. EVERYONE thinks the deal should be amended now. BUT now that it was in place you dont just have an Obama fueled temper tantrum and rip it up with NOTHING in place of it. Which is probably why Iran was shooting rockets this morning already. Bravo. Great job.

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You don't amend bad deals...bad deals shouldn't go through in the first place...its called poor leadership. Dems want do overs on a failed healthcare legislation and now a failed Iran deal. You do know Iran has violated the deal?

pathetic.

punch it in · 05-11-2018, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

You don't amend bad deals...bad deals shouldn't go through in the first place...its called poor leadership. Dems want do overs on a failed healthcare legislation and now a failed Iran deal. You do know Iran has violated the deal?

pathetic.

There you go again...dems this and trumptards that. Chico take a deep breath, and explain to me what is better about Trumps Iran deal, or his healthcare plan? (Hint : nothing because he doesn’t even have one). Ill wait....

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punch it in · 05-09-2018, 04:59 PM

How about the fact that two of these three prisoners were all arrested while Trump was spouting off at the pie hole and enraging Jong-un ? If I were one of them Id smack him right in his face when I got off the plane. Unreal. Dude throws a temper tantrum so Jong-un arrests three Americans and puts them through hell before returning them. And you guys want to give him the Nobel Peace Prize. Are you fucking kidding me?

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mooby · 05-09-2018, 05:47 PM

Cred, I am happy to give Trump partial credit for getting 3 Americans released from NK and peace talks advanced (but don't go giving him full credit, China/SK also deserve some) but at the same time, why don't we talk about the Iran deal and what specifically Trump has a problem with? In the last year gas prices in Woodbridge have gone from 2.20/gal to 2.80/gal, and this is just the precursor to even higher prices once summer rolls around and the shit pops off because we left the Iran deal. Now I know, who gives a shit about gas prices? I do, because I drive a lot. The raise in prices is only going to cut into the bump I got from the tax reform bill (which I'm not sure I got at all because the salary bump I got supposedly bumped me into the next tax bracket).

Now I don't know much, but I do know this. When my cost of living goes up as a direct result of his policies, it offsets however happy I am that peace in Korea finally seems feasible. I'm happy the 3 Americans are coming home too, but don't have much sympathy for them because everybody with half a brain knew it was a dangerous proposition visiting NK in any capacity as an American while hostilities were being thrown around.

And unless Trump starts spouting specifics about why the Iran deal is bad, I am happy to believe he only wanted out because it was an Obama deal. When everybody (including your own intelligence) says Iran was complying with the deal, I see no reason to back out. Now we can look forward to Iran bailing on the agreement too and all the negative reactions that will happen as a result of that.

CRedskinsRule · 05-09-2018, 06:26 PM

Like it or not, he ran, and won on getting out of the Iran deal. Gas always goes up during this time of the year due to the refineries changing blends, (and when the Republican candidate won, I told my friends we were headed back to the $4 gas days because that's what Republicans do. The shale/fracking industries needs higher gas prices) My company lives off of drivers driving, so yeah it sucks, but it was a lock when the Republicans won, regardless of the Iran deal.

Personally, I've always felt the US was strongest when it leads, and not was lead by the Europeans. I have a strong German background, but the Europeans as a continent are a weak ass people. They have lived under US umbrella for so long that they have forgotten why it was necessary in the first place, and when you get a president like Carter, and Obama who are social change creatures, the European socialists pounce, and bad treaties happen.

Here is a coherent discussion with a VOX (liberal media) reporter and Richard Goldberg, a supporter of ending the deal.
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/5/8/1...berg-interview

Giantone · 05-10-2018, 05:30 AM

I see so it's "coherent" becuase it agrees with your position and from a critic that never liked it in the first place(Israel based).You completely throw out that every single entity out there says that Iran was complying with all the stipulations ,all of them in the agrement.

CRedskinsRule · 05-10-2018, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

I see so it's "coherent" becuase it agrees with your position and from a critic that never liked it in the first place(Israel based).You completely throw out that every single entity out there says that Iran was complying with all the stipulations ,all of them in the agrement.

Its coherent because its a good question and answer session from an interviewer who does not agree with the interviewee's point of view and asks good questions, to which the responses are lucid and layout the opposite point view clearly.

Giantone · 05-10-2018, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Its coherent because its a good question and answer session from an interviewer who does not agree with the interviewee's point of view and asks good questions, to which the responses are lucid and layout the opposite point view clearly.

Pardon me if I don't accept your response as in the fact that you feel trump answers the same way.

05-09-2018, 02:28 PM	#2
punch it in From a Land Down Under Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 54 Posts: 24,205	When is Enough ,Enough? Even if that were all as honky dory as you think it is than give credit to the party like I said. Trump deserves about as much credit for any talk of denuclearization as Obama does for capturing Bin Laden. Less actually because Trump was to busy calling him names on Twitter to have had absolutely anything at all to do with any of it. Also for the last time Un has pulled this peace on earth bullshit before. But as soon as he launches his next rocket im sure the trumpers will find a way to blame Nancy Pelosi or Obama or Giant one or libtards or blah blah blah Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

05-09-2018, 02:50 PM	#3
punch it in From a Land Down Under Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 54 Posts: 24,205	Re: When is Enough ,Enough? Everyone very quiet about Iran too. How convenient. But at-least the idiot was able to rip up something from Obama. I mean who cares what it was. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

05-09-2018, 04:59 PM	#10
punch it in From a Land Down Under Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 54 Posts: 24,205	When is Enough ,Enough? How about the fact that two of these three prisoners were all arrested while Trump was spouting off at the pie hole and enraging Jong-un ? If I were one of them Id smack him right in his face when I got off the plane. Unreal. Dude throws a temper tantrum so Jong-un arrests three Americans and puts them through hell before returning them. And you guys want to give him the Nobel Peace Prize. Are you fucking kidding me? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

05-09-2018, 05:47 PM	#11
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: When is Enough ,Enough? Cred, I am happy to give Trump partial credit for getting 3 Americans released from NK and peace talks advanced (but don't go giving him full credit, China/SK also deserve some) but at the same time, why don't we talk about the Iran deal and what specifically Trump has a problem with? In the last year gas prices in Woodbridge have gone from 2.20/gal to 2.80/gal, and this is just the precursor to even higher prices once summer rolls around and the shit pops off because we left the Iran deal. Now I know, who gives a shit about gas prices? I do, because I drive a lot. The raise in prices is only going to cut into the bump I got from the tax reform bill (which I'm not sure I got at all because the salary bump I got supposedly bumped me into the next tax bracket). Now I don't know much, but I do know this. When my cost of living goes up as a direct result of his policies, it offsets however happy I am that peace in Korea finally seems feasible. I'm happy the 3 Americans are coming home too, but don't have much sympathy for them because everybody with half a brain knew it was a dangerous proposition visiting NK in any capacity as an American while hostilities were being thrown around. And unless Trump starts spouting specifics about why the Iran deal is bad, I am happy to believe he only wanted out because it was an Obama deal. When everybody (including your own intelligence) says Iran was complying with the deal, I see no reason to back out. Now we can look forward to Iran bailing on the agreement too and all the negative reactions that will happen as a result of that.

05-09-2018, 06:26 PM	#12
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,703	Re: When is Enough ,Enough? Like it or not, he ran, and won on getting out of the Iran deal. Gas always goes up during this time of the year due to the refineries changing blends, (and when the Republican candidate won, I told my friends we were headed back to the $4 gas days because that's what Republicans do. The shale/fracking industries needs higher gas prices) My company lives off of drivers driving, so yeah it sucks, but it was a lock when the Republicans won, regardless of the Iran deal. Personally, I've always felt the US was strongest when it leads, and not was lead by the Europeans. I have a strong German background, but the Europeans as a continent are a weak ass people. They have lived under US umbrella for so long that they have forgotten why it was necessary in the first place, and when you get a president like Carter, and Obama who are social change creatures, the European socialists pounce, and bad treaties happen. Here is a coherent discussion with a VOX (liberal media) reporter and Richard Goldberg, a supporter of ending the deal. https://www.vox.com/world/2018/5/8/1...berg-interview Last edited by CRedskinsRule; 05-09-2018 at 09:38 PM.

05-10-2018, 05:30 AM	#13
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,434	Re: When is Enough ,Enough? I see so it's "coherent" becuase it agrees with your position and from a critic that never liked it in the first place(Israel based).You completely throw out that every single entity out there says that Iran was complying with all the stipulations ,all of them in the agrement. __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

When is Enough ,Enough?

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