Scott Turner Fired

[Meks]

Good riddance. I have mixed feelings about JDR.. really wish we had a more creative and aggressive DC but the D showed up for the most part this year just tough to call sometimes.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by Meks

Good riddance. I have mixed feelings about JDR.. really wish we had a more creative and aggressive DC but the D showed up for the most part this year just tough to call sometimes.

I feel same as well.

[SFREDSKIN]

Oh yeah!! How about Jay Gruden as OC, we know he’s good at that.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Oh yeah!! How about Jay Gruden as OC, we know he’s good at that.

What are your thoughts on Slowick?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by punch it in

What are your thoughts on Slowick?

He was with us on the defensive side, and move to O with SF. Too early to judge his offensive work, he replaced McDaniel. Gruden had McVay, O’Connell as assistants that have moved to very successful coaching roles. Gruden is proven OC, rather go with him.

[Chico23231]

I imagine this is the nail in the coffin for TH as well

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I imagine this is the nail in the coffin for TH as well

I think TH nailed his own coffin already, but yes.

[AnonEmouse]

Think we could tempt Johnson away from Philly? Could work wonders with Howell.

[Chico23231]

Jay Gruden…come on down?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Jay Gruden…come on down?

[mooby]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...e-scott-turner

The eye-popping paragraph to me:

Originally Posted by ESPN

Near the end, players and others in the organization grumbled about the inconsistency of Washington's offensive philosophy. There appeared to be a divide between Rivera's vision for what he wanted offensively -- led by a power run game -- and Turner's vertical passing attack. During their season-finale news conference, Rivera and general manager Martin Mayhew both emphasized the desire to be more of a physical running team.

So let me get this straight. On a team with McLaurin, Samuel, Dotson, Logan Thomas, and ex-WR Antonio Gibson at RB, Ron and Mayhew want us to be a physical power running team?

I like Brian Robinson, but he's not Derrick Henry. And this gameplan of "we're gonna wear teams down with our physicality and start breaking big gainers in the 4th quarter" only works if the defense holds the other team in check. You can't be a physical running team if you're down by 10+ in the second half.

Ron and Mayhew are trying to take us back to the 80's on this one. If his gameplan is to keep the qb under 20 passes and Robinson over 20 carries every game it remains to be seen whether that can be a winning style.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by mooby

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...e-scott-turner

The eye-popping paragraph to me:

So let me get this straight. On a team with McLaurin, Samuel, Dotson, Logan Thomas, and ex-WR Antonio Gibson at RB, Ron and Mayhew want us to be a physical power running team?

I like Brian Robinson, but he's not Derrick Henry. And this gameplan of "we're gonna wear teams down with our physicality and start breaking big gainers in the 4th quarter" only works if the defense holds the other team in check. You can't be a physical running team if you're down by 10+ in the second half.

Ron and Mayhew are trying to take us back to the 80's on this one. If his gameplan is to keep the qb under 20 passes and Robinson over 20 carries every game it remains to be seen whether that can be a winning style.

This year, with our QBs and OL, we had to run the ball more than pass it to be successful. But you can't just commit to a we're gonna ram it down everyone's throat every game offense, long-term. Like you said, it's not the 1980's, it's a passing league. You have to be able to throw the ball to compete.

I'm all for a power running scheme, when we do run the ball. But that's different than just saying we're gonna run the ball all game every game.

A good start to a power running game, would be to actually line-up under C sometimes. Can be more of a power running scheme and have better playaction passing out of that too.

I really hope the new OC has way more flexibility/variety on how we line-up. Watching a Turner offense, you'd damn near think it's illegal to take a direct snap.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...e-scott-turner

The eye-popping paragraph to me:



So let me get this straight. On a team with McLaurin, Samuel, Dotson, Logan Thomas, and ex-WR Antonio Gibson at RB, Ron and Mayhew want us to be a physical power running team?

I like Brian Robinson, but he's not Derrick Henry. And this gameplan of "we're gonna wear teams down with our physicality and start breaking big gainers in the 4th quarter" only works if the defense holds the other team in check. You can't be a physical running team if you're down by 10+ in the second half.

Ron and Mayhew are trying to take us back to the 80's on this one. If his gameplan is to keep the qb under 20 passes and Robinson over 20 carries every game it remains to be seen whether that can be a winning style.

Running the hell out of the ball is what got us those wins late in the season. I'm more upset that Ron didn't tell Scott to just run the f*cking ball.

Scott Turner called plays as though we had Patrick Mahommes on the team. We don't; we can't be a vertical team with the QBs that we had this season.

Good coaches adjust. Look at what Pete Carroll did when he rolled with Russ as a rookie. He won by running the ball and playing tough defense.

The problem this year is that we had two QBs that just couldn't pass the ball at all. Wentz had the arm but was erratic and inaccurate, and TH had a noodle arm and was inaccurate.

We need to be a power running team and use the run to set up the pass. And we need a QB that can be mobile, with good accuracy, can thrive in play action, and can hit the deep ball when needed. I think Howell can do that next year, and the team can transition to be more passing oriented as he grows as a QB.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by mooby

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...e-scott-turner

The eye-popping paragraph to me:



So let me get this straight. On a team with McLaurin, Samuel, Dotson, Logan Thomas, and ex-WR Antonio Gibson at RB, Ron and Mayhew want us to be a physical power running team?

I like Brian Robinson, but he's not Derrick Henry. And this gameplan of "we're gonna wear teams down with our physicality and start breaking big gainers in the 4th quarter" only works if the defense holds the other team in check. You can't be a physical running team if you're down by 10+ in the second half.

Ron and Mayhew are trying to take us back to the 80's on this one. If his gameplan is to keep the qb under 20 passes and Robinson over 20 carries every game it remains to be seen whether that can be a winning style.

Let’s be honest Mooby, Samuels and Thomas aren’t elite pass catchers. Their best years are behind them and even the. They weren’t standouts.
Also, if you don’t have a QB you better be able to run the ball.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by jamf

Let’s be honest Mooby, Samuels and Thomas aren’t elite pass catchers. Their best years are behind them and even the. They weren’t standouts.
Also, if you don’t have a QB you better be able to run the ball.

Agreed, they're not elite but they don't need to be. Thomas was a solid pass catching option before this season. Samuel doesn't need to be elite when Dotson and McLaurin are better receivers than him. But Samuel can make plays in space - we need an OC who can design plays for him too just so teams will respect him. Turner literally had a couple plays for him which was running him off the fullback spot.

This just tells me Ron is not looking at this offseason for a qb who can make plays - he wants a qb that can manage the game effectively and make a play here and there when needed. It's not a recipe for success in the modern NFL. And I get his options are limited. But he's setting himself up for failure when the new owner gets his feet wet next offseason.