Why moving on from Bruce Allen this year is pivotal to the future of the franchise.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Smith has been in scouting since 2011 right? So he's a talent evaluator, you can argue that he's been average at best from the draft pick standpoint since hes been in that role.

Let his ass go too

I'd chill on that, he's only in his 2nd year of being the director of college personnel. Prior to that he probably had little say in who was drafted.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'd chill on that, he's only in his 2nd year of being the director of college personnel. Prior to that he probably had little say in who was drafted.

Still mad, fire his ass too

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[rocnrik]

I like this thread... to bad the folks in charge don’t seem to get it..either they are stupid or they got some master plan..hmmmm .. I say burn it down get advice from a real football guy and start from scratch one hire at a time starting with whoever is going to run the football side of things.. you can’t hire coach first then bring in GM.. we have the players but that’s all we got ..there is enough talent that a bad year would be 8-8 our current system is costing us 4 wins a year minimum..

[MTK]

Kevin Sheehan brought up something interesting today, Peyton Manning is reportedly interested in getting into a ownership/GM role. Give him a minority ownership stake and the GM role. Fuck it, why the hell not??

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by MTK

Kevin Sheehan brought up something interesting today, Peyton Manning is reportedly interested in getting into a ownership/GM role. Give him a minority ownership stake and the GM role. Fuck it, why the hell not??

No thanks. It's something Snyder would do to get the fans excited. Total PR move IMO.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

No thanks. It's something Snyder would do to get the fans excited. Total PR move IMO.

I think we could use good PR and Manning knows football inside and out so I would not hate it entirely, but what is really important who Snyder hires as his new handler. If its a Vinny or BA clone then we will be right back in fan hell. If he allows a winning culture guy to come in and set up shop then maybe we have hope.

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[BaltimoreSkins]

Joe would be able to recognize good leadership skills no doubt but would he recognize the other skills necessary for successful GM candidates?

[skinsfan69]

Bruce is bad for business. No one w/ any credibility would ever come here if he's here.

Dan needs to walk into Redskin Park the day after the season and fire everyone. Bruce, Doug, Smith, Santos, Jay and his entire staff, all gone. It hasn't worked with this group. They've had plenty of time to get it right.

Lombardi is spot on, it's a culture thing with the Redskins and it needs to be rebuilt from the top down. Get a GM in here who's detail oriented and hire a coach who thinks like he does.

I'd make a call to Dabo cause he has turned Clemson around and he did it by changing the culture. I'd make a call to Greg Williams cause he makes players accountable. He can get more out of this underachieving defense. I'd call Eric Beinemy as well. The guy is ready to be a HC and can bring creativity to the offense.

[calia]

First of all, outstanding thread and I appreciate the thoughtfulness.

To me, whether I can continue being a fan (after 46 years) boils down to whether Allen is gone either this season or as soon as it is over. If not, it tells me that Snyder is either too unwise or too stubborn to change, and the team will continue the shit show of the last many years indefinitely. I see no prospect of change - and change is so sorely needed. I count myself in with a ton of fans who are fatigued to the point of breaking. Love the team and many of the players, but the crotch kicking experience of being a Skins fan is old.


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[Chico23231]

The key thing with GM position, it MUST work in unison with the new coach. We need everyone on the same page for once.

Not Bruce trading for MCNabb when Shanny didn’t want McNabb. Not Bruce trading and extending Alex Smith, when it was a poor fit for Gruden’s scheme. This shit pisses me off so fucking much.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The key thing with GM position, it MUST work in unison with the new coach. We need everyone on the same page for once.

Not Bruce trading for MCNabb when Shanny didn’t want McNabb. Not Bruce trading and extending Alex Smith, when it was a poor fit for Gruden’s scheme. This shit pisses me off so fucking much.

Or the scouts and your head coach not wanting to draft Haskins at 15, but had no choice cause the owner and his bitch said too bad.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Or the scouts and your head coach not wanting to draft Haskins at 15, but had no choice cause the owner and his bitch said too bad.

I would hope that isn't the case, but if there's any consolation it's that the head coach's opinion (barring the unlikeliest of turnarounds) probably won't be relevant after this year.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The key thing with GM position, it MUST work in unison with the new coach. We need everyone on the same page for once.



Not Bruce trading for MCNabb when Shanny didn’t want McNabb. Not Bruce trading and extending Alex Smith, when it was a poor fit for Gruden’s scheme. This shit pisses me off so fucking much.

You nailed the single biggest organizational problem.

Also, Bruce forcing Callahan as the run game coordinator on the offense.

Totally agree

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[irish]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The key thing with GM position, it MUST work in unison with the new coach. We need everyone on the same page for once.

Not Bruce trading for MCNabb when Shanny didn’t want McNabb. Not Bruce trading and extending Alex Smith, when it was a poor fit for Gruden’s scheme. This shit pisses me off so fucking much.

Great point. This is the Skins biggest problem. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. The GM and head coach do need to work in unison but really the GM needs to work for the HC because its the HC who knows the system and culture and what kind of players he needs the GM to find to make it all work.

[sdskinsfan2001]

You fire Bruce and Jay, hire a real GM, let that GM pick his HC. It's not fucking rocket science or reinventing the wheel. We just have a loser for an owner.