In all the various mock drafts, is their one player you'd HATE for the Skins to draft at 15?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

U asking me? If so I think Jones is a solid QB comparable to an Alex Smith. Smart kid that doesn't take many big chances , can move well for his size. Lacks arm strength for deeper routes. He's been coached up by a great College QB coach / system but some are not high on him due to his underwhelming tape.

Sorry, i didn't quote - I was actually asking the guy who created the thread since Jones was his player. Casserly thinks Jones is the most pro-ready QB in this years draft, so he would be the QB most likely to cause an immediate positive impact to the team, so i was surprised he was the OP's choice.

Personally, QB is just about the last position I want us to draft at 15, but if we did draft one, Jones would be my choice above Haskins and Lock.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Sorry, i didn't quote - I was actually asking the guy who created the thread since Jones was his player. Casserly thinks Jones is the most pro-ready QB in this years draft, so he would be the QB most likely to cause an immediate positive impact to the team, so i was surprised he was the OP's choice.

Personally, QB is just about the last position I want us to draft at 15, but if we did draft one, Jones would be my choice above Haskins and Lock.

I think they will take one of the 3 for sure come Thurs.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

U asking me? If so I think Jones is a solid QB comparable to an Alex Smith. Smart kid that doesn't take many big chances , can move well for his size. Lacks arm strength for deeper routes. He's been coached up by a great College QB coach / system but some are not high on him due to his underwhelming tape.

Whether you're right or not about DJ, I really enjoyed reading your response. You made a clear, coherent case for your opinion of his potential. That's what I like about the debate on this site - knowledgeable posters with strong opinions and the ability to back them up.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Whether you're right or not about DJ, I really enjoyed reading your response. You made a clear, coherent case for your opinion of his potential. That's what I like about the debate on this site - knowledgeable posters with strong opinions and the ability to back them up.

Thanks KI! There is no site like WP, everyone is knowledgeable on this page. I have been a member since High School (damn I'm old) and its made being a Redskins fan during a dark and sad time much easier.

[Pervis_Griffith]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Charlie Casserly's top QB (other than Murray who he says he keeps off to the side) is Daniel Jones. What do you know about him that Casserly doesn't?

I know nothing more than Casserly, and probably a lot less. But as a Louisville Cardinal fan, that closely watched the ACC, I think the game results for Daniel Jones leave a lot to be desired.

Against teams with NFL talent ...

2018 ...

at Clemson -- 24 of 43, 158 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INTs (Duke loss)
at Miami -- 17 of 35, 130 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT (a win for Duke btw)

The rest of that schedule ... he's pedestrian at best against "ok" defenses.

2017 ....

at Virginia Tech -- 10 of 24, 82 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT (Duke loss)
vs Florida State -- 22 of 35, 204 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs (FSU kinda sucked that year too) (Duke loss)
vs Miami -- 21 of 41, 166 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT (Duke loss)
vs Baylor -- 20 of 35, 184 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT (a win for Duke)

The rest of that schedule is again, pedestrian.


I mean, he's a big kid. Probably a great kid. But is THIS the resume of a first round pick????

He feels like a HUGE reach to me.

Underwhelming.


We have so many needs, that can be better filled at this spot, than drafting Daniel Jones as our QB. In my opinion.

[Chico23231]

I know when I watched Lawrence, Fromm, Haskins, Murray and Tau in games, their arm talent is noticeable. Wil Grier as well.

Ive watched Jones several times and he looks like JAG.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I know when I watched Lawrence, Fromm, Haskins, Murray and Tau in games, their arm talent is noticeable. Wil Grier as well.

Ive watched Jones several times and he looks like JAG.

The Giants really like Jones , from what all the analyst are saying. Maybe he goes there at 17?

[Defensewins]

Maybe this threads title should be changed to Daniel Jones alot of Draft smoke or talented?
The reason I say this because he is blowing up in the national media today and in the last few days.
1) Gil Brandt comparing him to Peyton Manning
2) Mel Kiper talking him up saying he is ready to start in the NFL
3) Dan Orlovsky liking him
4) Coached by David Cutcliffe who coached both Manning brothers.

I am not sure I like him at 15 but there is a ton of talk out of NY that the Giants will use their #17 and take him if he is there. Smoke or reality?

I will say he played on a Duke team with shitty WR's that posed no deep threats and a terrible offensive line. He was forced to get rid of the ball early. Plus he came back in 3 weeks after breaking his collar bone and started the whole season. The guy is tough.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Maybe this threads title should be changed to Daniel Jones alot of Draft smoke or talented?
The reason I say this because he is blowing up in the national media today and in the last few days.
1) Gil Brandt comparing him to Peyton Manning
2) Mel Kiper talking him up saying he is ready to start in the NFL
3) Dan Orlovsky liking him
4) Coached by David Cutcliffe who coached both Manning brothers.

I am not sure I like him at 15 but there is a ton of talk out of NY that the Giants will use their #17 and take him if he is there. Smoke or reality?

I will say he played on a Duke team with shitty WR's that posed no deep threats and a terrible offensive line. He was forced to get rid of the ball early. Plus he came back in 3 weeks after breaking his collar bone and started the whole season. The guy is tough.

This.

[skinsfan69]

Watched one Duke game against Clemson. Now granted Clemson has better athletes across the board. Came away really feeling like Jones could be our guy if he's there at 15. It wasn't so much about the stats, it was the way he ran and handled the pressure of playing against the best team w/ a great d-line. He just looked like an NFL QB.

[KI Skins Fan]

I wouldn't necessarily HATE the decision to draft any player at #15. What I would object to would be a reach for a player at a position of need rather than drafting the BPA on their board.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I wouldn't necessarily HATE the decision to draft any player at #15. What I would object to would be a reach for a player at a position of need rather than drafting the BPA on their board.

I'm with you on this. In my opinion, I think DL and maybe tackle are only positions I wouldn't draft at #15. Although I'm not sure on tackle part, Trent is getting old and Moses regressed last year. If a highly-regarded tackle falls to us then I might be open to it. We will have a rookie QB (either this year or next year), we might as well as strengthen Oline to protect the rookie in long run.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

I'm with you on this. In my opinion, I think DL and maybe tackle are only positions I wouldn't draft at #15. Although I'm not sure on tackle part, Trent is getting old and Moses regressed last year. If a highly-regarded tackle falls to us then I might be open to it. We will have a rookie QB (either this year or next year), we might as well as strengthen Oline to protect the rookie in long run.

As you already know there are certain position like LT, Edge Rusher, CB and QB that hold so much value, that even if you are loaded at that position, you take it anyway. Reason being those positions hold huge trade value because most teams need them. You can later trade an extra strong LT or CB for a need position or two.
Back when we had a good FO we used to do that. I remember at one point we had Joe Jacoby and Ed Simmons and still got Jim Lachey. Now we just draft kind shitty.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I wouldn't necessarily HATE the decision to draft any player at #15. What I would object to would be a reach for a player at a position of need rather than drafting the BPA on their board.

The skins are in such a position that really any player can be selected. The only positions we don't need right now are LT, RG ,RB , DL. So other than that BPA is fine with me as well.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The skins are in such a position that really any player can be selected. The only positions we don't need right now are LT, RG ,RB , DL. So other than that BPA is fine with me as well.

With the Skins recent injury history even those positions aren't safe for the whole upcoming season.