Rodgers talks about redskins organization

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think a good player works their ass off to improve their game and then moves on from the organization. He didn't need to sulk around and leave the way he left the team. Also, it is my understanding that Rogers wanted a lot of money, when his production didn't warrant it. Rogers wanted to get playmaker money and not solid player money. Maybe if he would have performed the way he is performing with the 49ers, he'd be the unquestionable #1 corner with a good contract. But he didn't, so boo-f*cking-hoo.

I believe someone on here (not this thread) that Carlos's cover numbers were far better than Halls. Also, would I rather a consistant cover corner that keeps receivers in check throughout the game, maybe not getting a pick, but makes solid tackles and isn't afraid of contact? Or a cover guy that does a good job at covering, but takes too many gambles and costs us big plays, sometimes TD's and avoids contact sometimes. I'll take the consistant cover CB over a guy that gives up 1 or 2 big plays everygame.

Honestly, I have not been impressed with hall this year. He plays way off the receivers when we bring blitzes which becomes easy pitch and catch for the QB and WR, I just dont get it. He does a poor job at tackling and talks too damn much.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Carlos is a punk bitch and that's why I've never liked him, he has always trashed the redskins, the team that gave him the chance at the NFL.. Of course he can talk shit hid team is 8-1 and we r 3-6

This kills me....why when do "our" players leave they all say the same thing, yet its the players that are the issue? He is speaking the truth.. For years this organization has let our players leave, thinking the grass was greener by signing other teams players. It creates a horrible locker room, no loyalty by the younger players because they are looking out to see who we are going to sign next year, no matter how well you play. I mean look at Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark to name a couple. THose guys played their asses off and what did it get them? Sent packing. So they went to better organizations and won some super bowls.

Carlos is just one of the many that have left and said what was really or is really going on in that building. Look at how well he is playing now in SF. Do you think that maybe he was a little distracted by all the crap in Ashburn? I think the guy was a good cover guy, couldn't catch, but the recievers didn't catch the ball either. I wouldn't mind having him here right now. I think him and Hall made a better combination than Hall and Wilson.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

This kills me....why when do "our" players leave they all say the same thing, yet its the players that are the issue? He is speaking the truth.. For years this organization has let our players leave, thinking the grass was greener by signing other teams players. It creates a horrible locker room, no loyalty by the younger players because they are looking out to see who we are going to sign next year, no matter how well you play. I mean look at Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark to name a couple. THose guys played their asses off and what did it get them? Sent packing. So they went to better organizations and won some super bowls.

Carlos is just one of the many that have left and said what was really or is really going on in that building. Look at how well he is playing now in SF. Do you think that maybe he was a little distracted by all the crap in Ashburn? I think the guy was a good cover guy, couldn't catch, but the recievers didn't catch the ball either. I wouldn't mind having him here right now. I think him and Hall made a better combination than Hall and Wilson.

I feel like only Ryan Clark could really make somewhat of a legit complaint. I mean why doesn't Antonio Pierce talk about how every NFL team passed him up in the 2001 draft and the Redskins were the team that at least gave him a shot. Or that we re-signed him before the Vikings came after him.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I feel like only Ryan Clark could really make somewhat of a legit complaint. I mean why doesn't Antonio Pierce talk about how every NFL team passed him up in the 2001 draft and the Redskins were the team that at least gave him a shot. Or that we re-signed him before the Vikings came after him.

Champ was another one - We felt we could trade him and get a RB instead of keeping a perenial probowler, future hall of fame CB. And yes Portis was a good RB for us, and I dont want to hear that he wouldn't have resigned, because you show him the money and he's a Redskin for life. Portis has been very unproductive the last 3 years, out of the NFL.

Letting Brad Johnson go - went on to win a superbowl in Tampa, for George??

Steven Davis - Played in a Superbowl with Carolina - for Trung Candidate??

Chris Clemons - although wasn't a star, he is having some solid years in Seattle. I thought he was a spot starter, good depth, but we let him go

I am sure there are others, but this organization has shown its disregard for developing young talent, then allowing them to leave or trade them away in some cases for what is perceived to be better players drafted by other teams.

Hell, Brian Mitchell is one of the best cases for this. We let him go to sign that guy from the Jets...Chad something or another. And B Mitch went on to have some solid years in Philly and NY.

THis has been a trend for a long time. And every single one of those players mentioned all said the same thing in a variety of ways.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

This kills me....why when do "our" players leave they all say the same thing, yet its the players that are the issue? He is speaking the truth.. For years this organization has let our players leave, thinking the grass was greener by signing other teams players. It creates a horrible locker room, no loyalty by the younger players because they are looking out to see who we are going to sign next year, no matter how well you play. I mean look at Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark to name a couple. THose guys played their asses off and what did it get them? Sent packing. So they went to better organizations and won some super bowls.

Carlos is just one of the many that have left and said what was really or is really going on in that building. Look at how well he is playing now in SF. Do you think that maybe he was a little distracted by all the crap in Ashburn? I think the guy was a good cover guy, couldn't catch, but the recievers didn't catch the ball either. I wouldn't mind having him here right now. I think him and Hall made a better combination than Hall and Wilson.

No, Carlos's complaints are all tied to his exorbitant demands not being met. This is similar to Dockery, in which we let him go because it wasn't worth matching that contract would have been an overpay. .

Understand that you keep players by PAYING players. We are buying a service from them. We paid Samuels, Jansen, even Lavar, etc because they did very substantial things before their contract year. Carlos did not do enough and didn't even bother to get contracts. So, Hall doesn't deserve his contract. Now we should make the same mistake again to Carlos simply because we made it once? No, Shanahan and Allen should NOT repeat the goddamn overpay Vinny gave Hall simply because it is "fair" to Carlos Rogers.

Who goes out and says, "give me a raise first, then I'll do better"? It doesn't work that way most of the time. You gotta earn that raise.

We would be competing for having the most awful 19 million dollar pair of starting cornerbacks.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

No, Carlos's complaints are all tied to his exorbitant demands not being met. This is similar to Dockery, in which we let him go because it wasn't worth matching that contract would have been an overpay. .

Understand that you keep players by PAYING players. We are buying a service from them. We paid Samuels, Jansen, even Lavar, etc because they did very substantial things before their contract year. Carlos did not do enough and didn't even bother to get contracts. So, Hall doesn't deserve his contract. Now we should make the same mistake again to Carlos simply because we made it once? No, Shanahan and Allen should NOT repeat the goddamn overpay Vinny gave Hall simply because it is "fair" to Carlos Rogers.

Who goes out and says, "give me a raise first, then I'll do better"? It doesn't work that way most of the time. You gotta earn that raise.

We would be competing for having the most awful 19 million dollar pair of starting cornerbacks.

Perhaps this is what 56fan is....angling for?

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

This kills me....why when do "our" players leave they all say the same thing, yet its the players that are the issue? He is speaking the truth.. For years this organization has let our players leave, thinking the grass was greener by signing other teams players. It creates a horrible locker room, no loyalty by the younger players because they are looking out to see who we are going to sign next year, no matter how well you play. I mean look at Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark to name a couple. THose guys played their asses off and what did it get them? Sent packing. So they went to better organizations and won some super bowls.

Carlos is just one of the many that have left and said what was really or is really going on in that building. Look at how well he is playing now in SF. Do you think that maybe he was a little distracted by all the crap in Ashburn? I think the guy was a good cover guy, couldn't catch, but the recievers didn't catch the ball either. I wouldn't mind having him here right now. I think him and Hall made a better combination than Hall and Wilson.

i'm with you, i really wanted him to stay too, just wasn't going to happen. same with champ, it wasn't like we just traded him, he was pretty vocal about not wanting to return too, if i remember right. watching him play out in denver still kills me

[NC_Skins]

Don't give a shit about Carlos. The guy could have gotten contacts here, but chose his eye sight was fine. He also chose to sit out when he was cleared to play because he didn't want to risk being hurt. He is just mad he didn't get the payday he was expecting. Had he gotten those contacts and concentrated on playing football instead of being in the DC nightlife, then I imagine Snyder and crew would have opened their pockets up big time for him.

[The Goat]

Jeez Los seemed pretty cool in his comments about Snyder's disaster of a franchise. When you consider we let two fantastic secondary players go in the last several years who are now better than ANYONE we have at those respective positions, Los and Ryan Clark, I think it's easy to agree w/ Los' comments.

[SirClintonPortis]

While the culture here might not have been the greatest thing for players here, 'Los has no place to talk.

Hey 'Los, if you had caught the damn ball while you were here, we would have paid you. Nobody gives out a second contract based on "potential improvement". They give them out based on past performance, even Albert Haynesworth had two great years we stupidly signed him. You didn' even do that. You were the same 'ol "pretty good" cover guy who couldn't make a big play when there were PRIME opportunities to do so.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

While the culture here might not have been the greatest thing for players here, 'Los has no place to talk.

Hey 'Los, if you had caught the damn ball while you were here, we would have paid you. Nobody gives out a second contract based on "potential improvement". They give them out based on past performance, even Albert Haynesworth had two great years we stupidly signed him. You didn' even do that. You were the same 'ol "pretty good" cover guy who couldn't make a big play when there were PRIME opportunities to do so.

What would you rather have your corner do. Catch Int's? Or cover and tackle? Sorry but a corners first job is to cover. Right?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What would you rather have your corner do. Catch Int's? Or cover and tackle? Sorry but a corners first job is to cover. Right?

Carlos wanted to get paid like he did both, and he didn't.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Carlos wanted to get paid like he did both, and he didn't.

Hall did.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Hall did.

Carlos could have gotten paid close to Nnamdi money if he caught INTs. I know you despise Hall and he can't do nothing right in your eyes, but this discussion doesn't need to be about Hall (because Rogers was technically replaced by Wilson). Carlos left this team with an attitude and bad-mouthed the team on his way out.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What would you rather have your corner do. Catch Int's? Or cover and tackle? Sorry but a corners first job is to cover. Right?

Wait, I say Hall's contract was ****ing stupid and you think I'm defending Hall? The hell?

10 million dollar corners shut players down and make big plays. They are the COMPLETE package.