Defense = Disappointment

[GTripp0012]

Well, it's really obvious that the biggest problem for this team today was the defense. Any discussion of why we lost has to start with the defense not being able to get off the field. Two turnovers is good. Andre Carter and LaRon Landry each made a play. So far, we're creating the big plays.

But it's going to be tough to get off the field all year with Smoot and Hall. We had trouble getting off the field at the end of last year, and that was when we had Shawn Springs in the starting lineup.

No one is going to throw at Carlos Rogers this year, so we might need to get in the market for a cover corner.

I thought Rocky Mac played a really good game today. But when we start 3 guys who can't play man coverage on defense, we might have to go zone. It doesn't seem like we have a choice.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, it's really obvious that the biggest problem for this team today was the defense. Any discussion of why we lost has to start with the defense not being able to get off the field. Two turnovers is good. Andre Carter and LaRon Landry each made a play. So far, we're creating the big plays.

But it's going to be tough to get off the field all year with Smoot and Hall. We had trouble getting off the field at the end of last year, and that was when we had Shawn Springs in the starting lineup.

No one is going to throw at Carlos Rogers this year, so we might need to get in the market for a cover corner.

I thought Rocky Mac played a really good game today. But when we start 3 guys who can't play man coverage on defense, we might have to go zone. It doesn't seem like we have a choice.

Defense? Wow, you just washed yourself out. They had two turnovers and stuffed them on a 4th down on the goal line. They bent but didn't break. This loss is all on the offense.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by saden1

Defense? Wow, you just washed yourself out. They had two turnovers and stuffed them on a 4th down on the goal line. They bent but didn't break. This loss is all on the offense.

I honestly think Greg Blache could lose his job at some point during this season. The defense was pretty bad except for the three things that you mentioned.
Our third down play was horrendous just like last year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

Defense? Wow, you just washed yourself out. They had two turnovers and stuffed them on a 4th down on the goal line. They bent but didn't break. This loss is all on the offense.

Well, they bent. And they bent. Then they broke. And they bent again. And again. And then, well, the game ended.

The defense played a good third quarter when they held the Giants completely scoreless, but three bad quarters a good unit does not make.

The defense was obviously the big problem. I mean, c'mon, lets not kid ourselves.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, they bent. And they bent. Then they broke. And they bent again. And again. And then, well, the game ended.

The defense played a good third quarter when they held the Giants completely scoreless, but three bad quarters a good unit does not make.

The defense was obviously the big problem. I mean, c'mon, lets not kid ourselves.

Really? Cause here I was thinking the offense fumbled the ball which was returned for a TD, threw an INT, and allowed 3 sacks. They couldn't even move the ball to give the defense a breather.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

Really? Cause here I was thinking the offense fumbled the ball which was returned for a TD, threw an INT, and allowed 3 sacks. They couldn't even move the ball to give the defense a breather.

Yeah. We should just play the games over 4 days from now on. Then, when the Giants have like 14, 15 play drives (NFL average = 6), the defense can rest without actually having to get themselves off the field.

Good idea.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, it's really obvious that the biggest problem for this team today was the defense. Any discussion of why we lost has to start with the defense not being able to get off the field. Two turnovers is good. Andre Carter and LaRon Landry each made a play. So far, we're creating the big plays.

But it's going to be tough to get off the field all year with Smoot and Hall. We had trouble getting off the field at the end of last year, and that was when we had Shawn Springs in the starting lineup.

No one is going to throw at Carlos Rogers this year, so we might need to get in the market for a cover corner.

I thought Rocky Mac played a really good game today. But when we start 3 guys who can't play man coverage on defense, we might have to go zone. It doesn't seem like we have a choice.

I just don't understand your thinking. Improvements need to be made across the board. Defense and offense. But to say defense lost this game is ridiculous.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just don't understand your thinking. Improvements need to be made across the board. Defense and offense. But to say defense lost this game is ridiculous.

I'm not in disagreement with you on what's ailing the offense. I thought that was established.

The big problem with the defense is never, ever going to be any more evident than it was today. We had one three and out. Then the two turnover drives. THE GIANTS DID NOT PUT THEIR PUNTER ON THE FIELD UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE THIRD QUARTER.

We won't know for 5 weeks or so just how much of our defensive struggles today were because the Giants are a great passing team. Maybe none. Maybe a lot. But considering how thoroughly dominated we were through the air on defense, I don't see how anyone could not see the giant gaping hole on the team.

And no, the offense was not perfect. They made two costly errors, and couldn't open up any running lanes. But the passing game was the only thing that worked today.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm not in disagreement with you on what's ailing the offense. I thought that was established.

The big problem with the defense is never, ever going to be any more evident than it was today. We had one three and out. Then the two turnover drives. THE GIANTS DID NOT PUT THEIR PUNTER ON THE FIELD UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE THIRD QUARTER.

We won't know for 5 weeks or so just how much of our defensive struggles today were because the Giants are a great passing team. Maybe none. Maybe a lot. But considering how thoroughly dominated we were through the air on defense, I don't see how anyone could not see the giant gaping hole on the team.

And no, the offense was not perfect. They made two costly errors, and couldn't open up any running lanes. But the passing game was the only thing that worked today.

You have to give the Giants some credit though instead of simply blaming the defense. Their o-line is outstanding and outside of Haynesworth we've got average players on our d-line. We simply can not pressure Manning with 4 guys. But if you would tell me that we'd give up 16 I'd take it.

[GTripp0012]

On the bright side, only one TD against is promising. But even then, the Giants offense didn't do anything to earn that TD. We should have kept them in single digits, to be honest.

[wilsowilso]

Where was Orakpo?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Where was Orakpo?

Playing the wrong position.

[T.O.Killa]

Agian, they only allowed 16 points

[The Goat]

Like GTripp said the Giants offense didn't early much (single digits), rather we just gave the house away.

- I hope Orakpo actually makes the transition to SLB or we are screwed defensively. He's lost when in space and doesn't have a nose for the ball...as in it's obvious he's used to just chasing the passer.

- Hall was effing unbelievably bad. Not much else to say.

- Rocky and Fletcher are the heart of the defense from what I can tell.

- We still don't get Jack for pressure on the QB. Daniels is worthless as a pass-rusher and increasingly suspect as a run stopper cuz he just doesn't have the quickness now.

[Daseal]

I really think a big issue was our corners trying to push a receiver out of bounds instead of hitting/tackling him. I miss Williams hard ass mentality.