Raiders get Richard Seymour?

[skinsfan69]

Not sure what NE is thinking on this one.

[NYCskinfan82]

That's why you can't get mad at players when at contract time they want the most money possible, I beleive he has 3 SB rings with them and now he's traded imagine his reaction to that. There always screaming players should show loyalty to their team but what about the team showing loyalty to the player.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

That's why you can't get mad at players when at contract time they want the most money possible, I beleive he has 3 SB rings with them and now he's traded imagine his reaction to that. There always screaming players should show loyalty to their team but what about the team showing loyalty to the player.

To me NE showed no loyalty in this one. Seymour must be pissed going from a SB contender to one of the worst teams in the NFL. They trade away their best D linemen for a future draft pick? I guess the youth movement on NE's defense is underway.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

That's why you can't get mad at players when at contract time they want the most money possible, I beleive he has 3 SB rings with them and now he's traded imagine his reaction to that. There always screaming players should show loyalty to their team but what about the team showing loyalty to the player.

On Sirius yesterday, they made it sound like Tony Paschos was given an ultimatum to take a paycut or be cut(without naming actual names). I think that also is wrong, at least on cut day. You have all off-season to renegotiate contracts, but at the last possible moment, when the player has no real way to check out options and market value is very poor practice. Those sort of moves make me more sympathetic when a player is saying show me the money.

Of course none of that applies to Crabtree.

[MTK]

Can't make decisions in this league based on loyalty. Seymour is on the last year of his contract, and for the Pats to get a first rounder for a guy about to hit 30 and they had no intentions of giving a big money deal to is simply smart business.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Can't make decisions in this league based on loyalty. Seymour is on the last year of his contract, and for the Pats to get a first rounder for a guy about to hit 30 and they had no intentions of giving a big money deal to is simply smart business.

Please understand if I was NE i'd make that trade too. I was just saying when you've been in the league for awhile i'm not mad when it's contract time and you want alot more.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Can't make decisions in this league based on loyalty. Seymour is on the last year of his contract, and for the Pats to get a first rounder for a guy about to hit 30 and they had no intentions of giving a big money deal to is simply smart business.

I guess so. The guy was coming off a good year. 30 years old doesn't mean you can't play anymore. But what is it with Robert Kraft? He seriously doesn't want to pay anyone.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I guess so. The guy was coming off a good year. 30 years old doesn't mean you can't play anymore. But what is it with Robert Kraft? He seriously doesn't want to pay anyone.

I don't think this has anything to do with Kraft, just Darth Hoody wanting to prove that he can win with or without anyone. He already proved that he can win without Tom Brady and now he's going to try to prove that he can win with a skeleton defense (no Seymour, Vrabel, Bruschi, etc., etc.)

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It's the NFL, not pee wee league.

The NFL is also a professional league and that's the one thing I wish Goodell would get on the Dark Hooded One about...however Belichick has immunity by way of those three SB rings and the whinny Boston media, so until he royally screws up, he can continue to be the a$$hole that he is.

But then again let's remember that the following year he lost his starting QB and missed the playoffs despite winning 11 games, which I am sure pissed him off.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I guess so. The guy was coming off a good year. 30 years old doesn't mean you can't play anymore. But what is it with Robert Kraft? He seriously doesn't want to pay anyone.

Not sure about not wanting to pay anyone, it's more about not wanting to pay everyone. They have a few other key FA's coming due and then there's Brady who's due for a mega deal soon.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

New England Patriots deal Richard Seymour to Oakland Raiders - ESPN

No idea how this deal came about.

Boy, that's like going from the penthouse to the outhouse. NE sure know how to TCB.

[dmek25]

talk about getting bamboozled. Al Davis is the laughingstock of the entire league. and nycskinfan82, the owners show their loyalty come pay day. Seymour might not like his new team, but in the end, it all pays the same

[Dirtbag59]

I've started to realize that over the years the Redskins really are one of the few loyal organizations when it comes to players. For example I personally think many teams would have cut ARE a long time. They also stuck with Phillip Daniels and countless other players.

[ethat001]

Interesting cut. Not sure what this means for the Patriots defense this year, but it does show you how much they value their high draft picks. As long as you have good depth, it's the recipe for sustaining a good team for years instead of *right now*, and saving money for the pivotal players (Brady, Moss, etc).

1) 29yo probowler --> play maybe 4-5 years
2) Draft a 1st round ?probowler --> play 10 years, cheaper

I'd say IF someone offered a #1 pick for Fletcher, we should take it. Blades has looked good and Fletch probably only has 1-2 years left. Then we could even *draft* a replacement SLB/MLB - and solve the problem for the next decade.

So what would be another "Belichick move" for the Redskins? I guess it'd have to be a top-tier aging player in a position of at least borderline depth.. (I'm NOT saying we should do these moves)
-- L.Fletcher (backup Blades) -- definitely worth it
-- A.Carter (backup Orakpo/Wilson) -- but we'd have no SLB
-- C.Rogers - and then pickup a #1st round CB -- too risky
-- S.Moss/ARE (Backup MK/DT/MM) - Moss is our best player, but if MK/DT develop...? probably too risky
-- Cooley (backup F.Davis) - our second best weapon & still only 27, so we should not trade him

Just food for thought -- again, I don't believe we should do these moves.

[12thMan]

I think this came down to a financial consideration between keeping Seymour, who is approaching the final year of his contract, and Vince Wilfork, who has been trying to negotiate a long term deal with the Patriots for a while.

By cutting ties with Seymour and finding a willing and able suiter in the Oakland Raiders, I think it gives them more room to bargain with Wilfork. At the very least they'll slap the franchise tag on Wilfork and retain his services for a few more years.

I think the perfect scenerio for the Pats would be for Seymour to play out his deal with the Raiders, test the market when he becomes a FA, and eventually find his way back to New England ala Jason Taylor and the Dolphins.

[Ruhskins]

Wow, the Raiders are the dumbest team in the league (think about that pessimistic fans when you bitch about our FO). And the Pats one of the luckiest, plus this furthers Darth Hoody's status as a genius, since obviously Pioli is not there anymore.