bigger role for Betts this year?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yup same here, I don't see any of those guys as a real threat to Betts at all. In reality it would be a bit of a surprise to see any of them make the team.

Unless Aldridge is terrible in camp and/or shows he cannot be relied upon in the return game I can see them sticking with him over Rock. I don't think the Zorn regime has as much loyalty to Rock as the previous coach and they have all talked about seeking more explosiveness which Aldridge brings.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

So who said those guys were signed to compete for the #2 job? Your post is the first I'd heard of that. Don't recall any coaches or Vinny saying that.

I took those signings to be more competition for Rock, whose contract is less, and who also returns kicks. Of course, anyone can potentially take a spot, Portis' spot included.

Betts is getting up there in years so of course they're going to look to replace him in the near future, but I certainly don't think those 3 guys we signed are an attempt to replace or demote him.

Also, take a look at Portis' numbers in the 2nd half of the year, since it seems that's what you're doing w/Betts. The running game fell off big time. Do you blame that all on Portis since his "production" dropped?

Last time I checked competion is when a bunch of guys compete to see whose the best, so if Betts looks bad in Training Camp and in Preseason you wouldn't think someone like Marcus Mason who could paly better than Betts, would then battle for the #2 job? You have to understand this is a "what have you done for me lately league" and Betts hasn't done alot when given the oppurtunity. No one should automatically assume anyone has a spot just because "Vinny said it in the offseason" or because Betts has been a #2 back for a few years, because things change. It doesn't matter what the coaches says in June, because this is the Offseason! Alot of coaches say shit in June, but their dead wrong come September. Until Training Camp starts we won't know anything about where the RB lineup stands. As for Portis I never compared Portis to Betts because that's irrelevant, all I said was when Betts is in the lineup he has been average at best.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Last time I checked competion is when a bunch of guys compete to see whose the best, so if Betts looks bad in Training Camp and in Preseason you wouldn't think someone like Marcus Mason who could paly better than Betts, would then battle for the #2 job? You have to understand this is a "what have you done for me lately league" and Betts hasn't done alot when given the oppurtunity. No one should automatically assume anyone has a spot just because "Vinny said it in the offseason" or because Betts has been a #2 back for a few years, because things change. It doesn't matter what the coaches says in June, because this is the Offseason! Alot of coaches say shit in June, but their dead wrong come September. Until Training Camp starts we won't know anything about where the RB lineup stands. As for Portis I never compared Portis to Betts because that's irrelevant, all I said was when Betts is in the lineup he has been average at best.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm giving my opinion that i don't see those 3 guys as a threat to betts.

YOU assumed that they were signed to compete for the #2 spot, from what your post said, as if the coaches think Betts needs to be replaced. If what you meant to say was that they signed these guys because they want something more out of the rb position & potentially any of these guys could supplant Betts, and for that matter, Portis. Well, I agree w/you, and if you read my earlier post you'll see I mention that.

Basically anyone can be replaced at any time, but that's stating the obvious. You implied 3 guys were signed to specifically compete for the #2 spot. I disagree, but it goes w/out saying that it's possible for them to earn it.

[Daseal]

I want to see us give another back every 3rd or so series. Portis is a very good back, but he's getting a bi long in the tooth (for a RB) and I can't think of anything that could help this team more than Portis with something left in the tank in the 4th quarter or the game and season. Stop killing Portis by week 11.

[MTK]

Betts has to play a bigger role this year or Portis will again have nothing left by the 2nd half of the season.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Betts has to play a bigger role this year or Portis will again have nothing left by the 2nd half of the season.

I do not think that it has to be Betts as long as somebody spells him. If CP gets more than 75% of the carries as frequently as we run the ball, he isn't going to make it much longer.

In all honesty I would like to see some young blood at the RB position. I just don't think that Betts is hungry or explosive enough. I do not know the man personally, I am just speaking from what I have seen on the field. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of him, but I am not sold.

[freddyg12]

totally agree w/Matty & Daseal.

Does anyone have a theory as to why Betts hasn't gotten may carries the last 2 years, even as the coaches seem to always praise him in training camp & the team re-signed him to a nice deal?

[Meks]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

totally agree w/Matty & Daseal.

Does anyone have a theory as to why Betts hasn't gotten may carries the last 2 years, even as the coaches seem to always praise him in training camp & the team re-signed him to a nice deal?

because we lost to the giants on the goal line and portis WASNT, on the field.

images/memorys do burn into brains...

betts is OK, but i cant really imagine a starter on ne other team he's better than off hand.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Meks

because we lost to the giants on the goal line and portis WASNT, on the field.

images/memorys do burn into brains...

betts is OK, but i cant really imagine a starter on ne other team he's better than off hand.

Or it could be the fact that we called the same damn play 4 times in a row. That was one of my most frustrating moments as a Skins fan. I was cussing my brains out. My Dad was at that game. Poor guy had to see that mess in person.

[Paintrain]

I'm cool with more of a Portis/Betts sharing the load arrangement. Betts is good in bursts (say that 5 times fast) but he has to work on ball security. I know his fumbles per carry ratio is similar to Portis but his fumbles seem to come at killer times.

[saden1]

Hopefully his role will be cheering on the sideline 95% of the time and relieving Portis for a breathing spell the other 5% of the time.

[MTK]

On a good day I'd like to see Betts get at least 10 carries. Let him play a couple of series in a row to get in a groove. I'd rather see a healthy Portis at the end of the year with 1200 yards than a totally gassed Portis with 1500 yards. Come playoff time a broken down CP is going to be worthless.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

On a good day I'd like to see Betts get at least 10 carries. Let him play a couple of series in a row to get in a groove. I'd rather see a healthy Portis at the end of the year with 1200 yards than a totally gassed Portis with 1500 yards. Come playoff time a broken down CP is going to be worthless.

This is one key to the success of the season IMO. I would like to see Portis rest a good deal in the first half most games, and like you've said Matty (along w/ others) Betts is at his best when he gets several carries in a row. I say give Betts the 2nd Qtr or something like that if we're rolling along.

...one other thing i wonder is if a more complete integration into WCO will favor betts. Personally I like to see him catch the ball out of the backfield over CP...this is one area where I think Ladell punishes defenders.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

On a good day I'd like to see Betts get at least 10 carries. Let him play a couple of series in a row to get in a groove. I'd rather see a healthy Portis at the end of the year with 1200 yards than a totally gassed Portis with 1500 yards. Come playoff time a broken down CP is going to be worthless.

Portis is going to complain about his role no matter what so the coach needs to force a lighter workload upon him and ignore the drama.

Betts just needs to hold onto the ball. I don't know how you find ways to get him the ball at less important junctures of the game because he always seems to find the worst possible moment to fumble.

I like the idea of giving Betts a full series or two because judging him on spot duty isn't fair to him.

[skinsfan69]

they're not even in pads. let's see if smith says the same thing when betts gets hit and fumbles. i like betts, always have but it's ota's. i don't care about anything until pads are on.