Putting the Redskins in Perspective

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Also, the Jason Taylor trade: officially horrible. We got waxed.

We're going to have to make a decision next off-season between Daniels and Taylor. And by no means is this a simple decision. Vinny needs to realize that the 2nd round pick we send for Taylor is a sunk cost, and that if a 36 year old Daniels can help us more than a 35 year old Taylor, Daniels needs to stay and Taylor must go.

Oh thank God someone finally said it (pretty sure you're the first anyway).

[GTripp0012]

I also don't think it has anything to do with scheme. JT has always been awful vs. the run, he's not providing any pass rush, and he's making rookie esque mistakes in play recognition that Daniels/Evans/Golston, and possibly even Chris Wilson would never make.

I'll elaborate more in my breakdown, but it's pretty embarassing to have a player making 8 million dollars who wouldn't be starting for most teams in the NFL right now.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I also don't think it has anything to do with scheme. JT has always been awful vs. the run, he's not providing any pass rush, and he's making rookie esque mistakes in play recognition that Daniels/Evans/Golston, and possibly even Chris Wilson would never make.

I'll elaborate more in my breakdown, but it's pretty embarassing to have a player making 8 million dollars who wouldn't be starting for most teams in the NFL right now.

Unfortunately JT isn't the only player on our roster making a truckload of cash who wouldn't start for most teams... on the other hand we're the only franchise paying Hall, a top pick, a mere million for his services through the remainder of '08. If we use him as a punt returner, he continues to get picks and behaves himself then... well it still doesn't really balance out but it's something.:thumb:

[GMScud]

I totally agree with the first post as far as the trenches are concerned.

I've said it forever. Run the ball and stop the run. That's it. If you can do that, everything else is easy.

[backrow]

I count three guys on the OL that were brought in. That whole line, less CS, of course is not holding up well, and CS has a bad wheel.

I count three guys brought in on the DL with Griff on the IR.

[firstdown]

Well we dominated Dallas in week 4 and we ran the ball in week 4 alot more. The past two games against the Steelers And Boys we have ran the ball 33 times v/s 77 pass plays. If your having trouble protecting the QB running the ball helps slow down the rush. Maybe its play calling as much as protection. I feel Zorn is going away from the run way too early when its not working. How many times have you seen a team pound the ball in the first half with little success and then in the second half the running game starts to move the ball and opens up the passing game. It seems that when the running game is not clicking Zorn goes to the pass and teams start to key in on JC. I'm not saying that our Oline is getting the job done but I do feel the play calling is not helping at all.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I totally agree with the first post as far as the trenches are concerned.

I've said it forever. Run the ball and stop the run. That's it. If you can do that, everything else is easy.

Unless you can't stop the pass. Then you're just the 07 Vikings.

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Unless you can't stop the pass. Then you're just the 07 Vikings.

True, but a dominant defensive line can make a secondary look alot better. If the QB has to get rid of the ball quick, then you only have to ask your secondary to cover for a few seconds which most can do. If your defensive line sucks and the QB has time, then even the best cornerback is going to give up passes against the good WRs.

[SouperMeister]

Good post D.R. - I've been saying that we've ignored bolstering our play in the trenches through the draft for years. LaConfora mentioned today that we haven't spent a draft pick before the 5th round on a D-lineman since Kennard Lang was picked in the 1st round ELEVEN YEARS AGO!!!

Yes we've added some free agents on both lines, but there is no long term substitute for drafting young talent, which is much more cap friendly, especially after the 1st round. The Giants have been masterful at this, getting Justin Tuck in the 3rd round and Osi Umenyiora in the 2nd.

The Gibbs 1.0 teams were great in the trenches. Until we get serious about bolstering the O and D lines through the draft, I believe that the most this team will achieve is squeeking into the playoffs via wild card, which usually means an early exit.

[joethiesmanfan]

If you look at our personnel we have good personnel, it has got to be the scheme. IMO

[joethiesmanfan]

When Landry played close to the line and blitzed he was on Romo before he could blink and that led to the Rocky interception after Rogers hit T.O. I am tired of seeing blitzers not get to the QB. Scream! Scheme!

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

When Landry played close to the line and blitzed he was on Romo before he could blink and that led to the Rocky interception after Rogers hit T.O. I am tired of seeing blitzers not get to the QB. Scream! Scheme!

I believe Landry is far more effective near the line of scrimmage, and he gets to the QB in a flash when he blitzes. He is clearly no Sean Taylor at FS. Taylor would have blown up Bennett on the winning TD. I cannot think of a signature hit this season where Landry has blown up a receiver. To be honest, the two best hits made by our DBs this season were both by Rogers - the one on Josh Cribbs and the one on T.O. on Sunday that led to Rocky's INT.

I really thought that Landry would be an enforcer in the Taylor mold, but it hasn't happened so far this season. Again, his talents are probably more suited to playing closer to the line.

[Stacks42]

I think the skins need to seriously start conisdering benching both Rabach and Jansen. The two of them are mkaing Thomas play/look like crap, and I would consider him one of our best lineman. Move Jansen to Center and put Heyer back on the edge.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

I think the skins need to seriously start conisdering benching both Rabach and Jansen. The two of them are mkaing Thomas play/look like crap, and I would consider him one of our best lineman. Move Jansen to Center and put Heyer back on the edge.

How do you bench Jansen by moving him to center? Heck, can he even play center?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Unless you can't stop the pass. Then you're just the 07 Vikings.

I suppose I should have prefaced my statement with "if you have a decent secondary." But your point is well taken.