Well, just like old times..

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Only if we can get Chad to renegotiate his salary to the veterans minimum.:cool-smil

Or maybe a sign a trade of Cartwright for LT?

[freddyg12]

This article did give me that old feeling again, like Danny & Vinny haven't learned anything.

I always was optimistic in the offseason, but since 06 I've become more cynical. It's not the mention of 2 big FA's that's scary, it's the potential cost & the fact that one of them IMO has the potential to be a problem (CJ).

Let's all give it time of course, this article cites sources who are speculating based on what they've heard. Who knows what the real price for CJ & Briggs will be? I hope that Danny & Vinny are putting out smokescreens to the rest of the nfl. The Danny has shown recently that he's capable of patience & methodical decision making. I hope he takes the same approach this offseason.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

This article did give me that old feeling again, like Danny & Vinny haven't learned anything.

I always was optimistic in the offseason, but since 06 I've become more cynical. It's not the mention of 2 big FA's that's scary, it's the potential cost & the fact that one of them IMO has the potential to be a problem (CJ).

Let's all give it time of course, this article cites sources who are speculating based on what they've heard. Who knows what the real price for CJ & Briggs will be? I hope that Danny & Vinny are putting out smokescreens to the rest of the nfl. The Danny has shown recently that he's capable of patience & methodical decision making. I hope he takes the same approach this offseason.

its just an article, mabye theyve learned...
but they are still going to want to win now and we have a new coach so we are goign to bring in new people. Its hard to judge how fast we get players in FA because we used to changes coachs a lot and new coachs want their type of players. We had Gibbs for a while so thats probably why it just seemed like we wernt going after as many free agents

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

its just an article, mabye theyve learned...
but they are still going to want to win now and we have a new coach so we are goign to bring in new people. Its hard to judge how fast we get players in FA because we used to changes coachs a lot and new coachs want their type of players. We had Gibbs for a while so thats probably why it just seemed like we wernt going after as many free agents

What concerns me is that we have a new coach & new O. JC & Zorn have enough of a task ahead in just getting into a working groove. Add Chad Johnson to that & does it make it easier or does his ego & selfishness disrupt the learning curve?

I fear the latter. I'm all for bringing in a solid wr, but CJ is not worth it.

[onlydarksets]

How is this like old times? There are only two changes mentioned:

• We desperately need a possession and playmaking receiver - CJ fits that bill.
• Our LBs are pretty dinged up - Lance Briggs fills that need.

What's shocking is the attempt at consistency and avoiding aging vets:

• JC has the full support of Snyder and VC - screw that, can you say "QB controversy"?
• We aren't going after Collins - what?!? We aren't throwing insane money at a 2-year player? Yeah, sounds just like old times to me!
• We aren't re-signing Brunell - (see comment for Collins)
• We are looking into Dilfer, a backup who knows the offense - that's CRAZY talk, right there.
• Snyder wants to make sure the players we have (Moss/ARE) stay healthy - Bring me Snyder's head!
• We aren't throwing money at Rock just to do returns? The madness!
• The Skins are going to use Lorenzo Alexander and Heyer to beef up the O-line and Wilson on the D-line - I can't believe we are going to groom players we drafted (or picked up undrafted) as starters. VC is a lackey - bring me his head too.

Jeez, it feels just like 1999 again.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

How is this like old times? There are only two changes mentioned:

• We desperately need a possession and playmaking receiver - CJ fits that bill.
• Our LBs are pretty dinged up - Lance Briggs fills that need.

What's shocking is the attempt at consistency and avoiding aging vets:

• JC has the full support of Snyder and VC - screw that, can you say "QB controversy"?
• We aren't going after Collins - what?!? We aren't throwing insane money at a 2-year player? Yeah, sounds just like old times to me!
• We aren't re-signing Brunell - (see comment for Collins)
• We are looking into Dilfer, a backup who knows the offense - that's CRAZY talk, right there.
• Snyder wants to make sure the players we have (Moss/ARE) stay healthy - Bring me Snyder's head!
• We aren't throwing money at Rock just to do returns? The madness!
• The Skins are going to use Lorenzo Alexander and Heyer to beef up the O-line and Wilson on the D-line - I can't believe we are going to groom players we drafted (or picked up undrafted) as starters. VC is a lackey - bring me his head too.

Jeez, it feels just like 1999 again.

Damn fine post!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

How is this like old times? There are only two changes mentioned:

• We desperately need a possession and playmaking receiver - CJ fits that bill.
• Our LBs are pretty dinged up - Lance Briggs fills that need.

What's shocking is the attempt at consistency and avoiding aging vets:

• JC has the full support of Snyder and VC - screw that, can you say "QB controversy"?
• We aren't going after Collins - what?!? We aren't throwing insane money at a 2-year player? Yeah, sounds just like old times to me!
• We aren't re-signing Brunell - (see comment for Collins)
• We are looking into Dilfer, a backup who knows the offense - that's CRAZY talk, right there.
• Snyder wants to make sure the players we have (Moss/ARE) stay healthy - Bring me Snyder's head!
• We aren't throwing money at Rock just to do returns? The madness!
• The Skins are going to use Lorenzo Alexander and Heyer to beef up the O-line and Wilson on the D-line - I can't believe we are going to groom players we drafted (or picked up undrafted) as starters. VC is a lackey - bring me his head too.

Jeez, it feels just like 1999 again.

Stop making sense. It's more fun to just freak out and ignore what the article really says.

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

How is this like old times? There are only two changes mentioned:

• We desperately need a possession and playmaking receiver - CJ fits that bill.
• Our LBs are pretty dinged up - Lance Briggs fills that need.

What's shocking is the attempt at consistency and avoiding aging vets:

• JC has the full support of Snyder and VC - screw that, can you say "QB controversy"?
• We aren't going after Collins - what?!? We aren't throwing insane money at a 2-year player? Yeah, sounds just like old times to me!
• We aren't re-signing Brunell - (see comment for Collins)
• We are looking into Dilfer, a backup who knows the offense - that's CRAZY talk, right there.
• Snyder wants to make sure the players we have (Moss/ARE) stay healthy - Bring me Snyder's head!
• We aren't throwing money at Rock just to do returns? The madness!
• The Skins are going to use Lorenzo Alexander and Heyer to beef up the O-line and Wilson on the D-line - I can't believe we are going to groom players we drafted (or picked up undrafted) as starters. VC is a lackey - bring me his head too.

Jeez, it feels just like 1999 again.

Hilarious.

You're right on. These are all wise moves. WTF

[MTK]

I'm not buying that we'll deal for Chad. Too much to give up. There are plenty of cheaper options out there.

[#56fanatic]

i certainly dont have any issue with the prospect of bring in "ocho cinco". with him, moss, randel el, cooley and portis on the field for pretty much the entire game is a daunting task for any defense to handle. However, I dont like the idea of possibly having to give up a 1st round pick for a 30 year old receiver no matter what his career numbers are. I am one who thinks bringing in a guy like Porter or Jevon Walker for lesser in terms of draft picks would be fine. Porter is not happy in Oakland and it shows on the field. Porter is a good receiver, has the size, the speed and the ability to go and get the ball.
Briggs?? not sure how I feel about that. Rocky should be ready by the start of the season so not sure where they would play him, unless they plan on dropping marcus or moving him to more of a part time player due to injuries. Briggs is a stud, still young and can play side line to side line. Paired with Fletcher and Rocky they would be a very strong LB core.

the move that would bother me more is letting Rock go. Rock has busted his ass since being here going from FB, to RB, then returner. He has done everything this organization has asked and excelled in his new role on special teams. He is a true redskin, which this term seems to be brushed aside when a new regime takes over.

[Bishop Hammer]

Ironically, I would'nt mind if the Front Office kept Mark Brunell. After all Brunell does have experience in the West Coast Offense and he even led the Jaguars to the AFC Championship running it. Brunell would be a good tutor to Jason Campbell and help aid in his learning curve.

If the FO goes after a reviever I think Chad Johnson would be a better fit here and he is a more team player than Randy Moss. Moss is only as good as the team he is on. When the going gets tough Moss will become a disruption or half tail it like he did in Oakland; he is not TO bad, but the Skins do not need that sort of distraction going on.

[onlydarksets]

Where have you heard that McIntosh will be ready to go on opening day? I've heard mid-season at best.

As for Rock, there are a couple of threads on this. The bottom-line is that he can't make RB money doing returns, and there is no room for him at backup RB. I don't know what he is asking, but combined with the fact that we are committed to Betts (contractually), it doesn't leave much room for him at the salary he likely wants.

[#56fanatic]

I thought I read something a month or so ago where Bubba tyer said rocky should be ready by the beginning of the season.
With Rock, I dont know what he is asking for either, but with his stellar play on special teams as the kick returner and coverage he found his niche on this team. I think rock is a tremendous team mate and locker room leader.

[talk show host]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I thought I read something a month or so ago where Bubba tyer said rocky should be ready by the beginning of the season.
With Rock, I dont know what he is asking for either, but with his stellar play on special teams as the kick returner and coverage he found his niche on this team. I think rock is a tremendous team mate and locker room leader.

I seem to remember reading a month or so ago (on the washingtonpost) that rock actually made a statement along the lines of "i want to get paid." from that point, he was dead to me. I believe he even mentioned 10 million dollars. he also wants to be somewhere where he will regularly see action on offense.... that won't happen here. Rock is going but if thats his attitude, i wont miss him.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I thought I read something a month or so ago where Bubba tyer said rocky should be ready by the beginning of the season.
With Rock, I dont know what he is asking for either, but with his stellar play on special teams as the kick returner and coverage he found his niche on this team. I think rock is a tremendous team mate and locker room leader.

I read that too. I read he was ahead of schedule and should be ready for training camp.