Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint?

jamf · 09-30-2007, 10:36 PM

The chargers suck and the Padres choked! It's not a good day to be a San Diego Fan!

Redskins247 · 09-30-2007, 10:46 PM

I think it goes to show just how much the Coach or coaches impact their team...and obviously immediately!!! This is the second week they've fucked me in my football pool! But can you imagine being a die-hard Chargers fan going into the playoffs last year 14-2....and since it's just been complete hell!!!!!

skinsguy · 09-30-2007, 11:20 PM

This is the second time an owner has fired Marty foolishly!

htownskinfan · 10-01-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

This is the second time an owner has fired Marty foolishly!

thats good

Paintrain · 09-30-2007, 11:39 PM

SD knocked me out of my suicide pool today also.. I should have KNOWN better than to trust Norv.. Worst head coach in NFL history.

FRPLG · 10-01-2007, 12:01 AM

Let's be honest. Norv is a seriously great guy. Anyone who has ever met him will atest to that. Most people acknowledge he is a pretty good O coordinator. But why anyone thought he could head coach any team after what he did here and in Oakland is a moron. Just a total dip sh*t moron. AJ Smith is done. There is no way they can not fire him. I'd fire him and Norv now and bring backMarty tommorrow for whatver it costs to get him. What a joke. I cry every time I think how close the Cowboys were to hiring Norv.

skinsfan69 · 10-01-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Let's be honest. Norv is a seriously great guy. Anyone who has ever met him will atest to that. Most people acknowledge he is a pretty good O coordinator. But why anyone thought he could head coach any team after what he did here and in Oakland is a moron. Just a total dip sh*t moron. AJ Smith is done. There is no way they can not fire him. I'd fire him and Norv now and bring backMarty tommorrow for whatver it costs to get him. What a joke. I cry every time I think how close the Cowboys were to hiring Norv.

Sometimes in the NFL (and in all sports) teams just don't play to the same level as they did the previous year. For what ever reason. They loose their edge. Humans are not machines. 14-2 is really really tough to do in the NFL. You have to be really good but you also have to have the ball bounce your way. It looks like the running game is sputtering and the passing came can't pick up the slack although today LT went off. They have a young QB who is turning it over and some WR's that are very questionable. Plus they made a bad mistake and let go of Donnie Edwards. Then you fire Marty and you loose both coordinators. Chargers had nowhere to go but down.

FRPLG · 10-01-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sometimes in the NFL (and in all sports) teams just don't play to the same level as they did the previous year. For what ever reason. They loose their edge. Humans are not machines. 14-2 is really really tough to do in the NFL. You have to be really good but you also have to have the ball bounce your way. It looks like the running game is sputtering and the passing came can't pick up the slack although today LT went off. They have a young QB who is turning it over and some WR's that are very questionable. Plus they made a bad mistake and let go of Donnie Edwards. Then you fire Marty and you loose both coordinators. Chargers had nowhere to go but down.

I'd say they're more than down and clearly not playing up to potential. That seems to be a theme for Norv's team.

GTripp0012 · 10-01-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sometimes in the NFL (and in all sports) teams just don't play to the same level as they did the previous year. For what ever reason. They loose their edge. Humans are not machines. 14-2 is really really tough to do in the NFL. You have to be really good but you also have to have the ball bounce your way. It looks like the running game is sputtering and the passing came can't pick up the slack although today LT went off. They have a young QB who is turning it over and some WR's that are very questionable. Plus they made a bad mistake and let go of Donnie Edwards. Then you fire Marty and you loose both coordinators. Chargers had nowhere to go but down.

Great post.

Look, Norv is not a good coach, and he's not going to do his team any favors strategically. But if his offenses were able to overcome his lack of motivation (which they clearly did), then theres no way we can blame him for what's happening to his defense or offensive line. Losing his coordinator contributed, but this defensive collapse was predictable by statistical formula (notice the date).

Now should Norv collect some blame for what's happening on the offensive end? Some, yes for sure. But I believe that given time, Rivers is going to get very hot and this team will win 8-9 games this year, which isn't too bad by any standard (also not too good by any standard).

People like to credit Norv for natural player progression, and blame him for natural unit regression, even though he likely has little to do with neither.

He just happens to be an uninspired coach trying to make a living. He is not going to hurt or help his teams win or lose. Thus, it's up to the team leaders to get this ship righted in SD.

JWsleep · 10-01-2007, 12:05 AM

Did you see that (annoying) Keith Oberman "worst man in the NFL" thing at the half of the gints-iggles? It was the owner and GM of the chargers in a tie.

Marty for the ole ball coach is the meddling of a young billionaire who does want his team to succeed, and thinks he can do it the same way he plays fantasy football. Marty for Norvil is just plain stupid. After 14-2? And they let all the good assistants go before canning marty, to make it worse. And the Padres are looking to choke. Tough times in SD.

jsarno · 10-01-2007, 12:14 AM

They should fire Turner and hire Spurrier. LOL.
(then put Petitbon and Robiskie on the staff!)

Beemnseven · 10-01-2007, 07:38 AM

We cannot discount the Chargers defense though. Ted Cottrell was brought in, and I've heard that the San Diego defense is really what's different from last year. I'd bet the Chiefs don't score 30 points in a game for another two seasons.

Still, the team appears to suffer from the general malaise that Norv's teams are famous for. It's a long season though, and something tells me that the Bolts are going to right the ship at some point. There's just too much talent for it not to happen.

SC Skins Fan · 10-01-2007, 09:12 AM

The most surprising thing to me is how poorly Phillip Rivers has played. I thought Norv would at least be able to maximize his potential. If he can't even get Rivers going then what is Norv "the QB guru" Turner good for? Its gonna get ugly in SD pretty quickly. Losing to the Chiefs at home might just bring the whole house down.

jsarno · 10-01-2007, 12:15 AM

I bet Bill Cowher will be enticed to the Chargers next year. How can someone NOT want to come out of retirement for such a talented team?

12thMan · 10-01-2007, 08:44 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb here, the Chargers probably lost their window of opportunity to play in a Super Bowl for the next several years. And this is the arrogance of AJ, in his mind this is a team that is 14-2, surely they canl bounce back and be just as good next year. Look at how Gruden has struggled since taking over Dungy's team in Tampa. Look how long it took Dungy with the same squad, same QB to finally get the Colts to a Super Bowl. Marty has been too close too many times for you not to let him ride this thing out for another two or three years. You don't get this close, and completely overhaul the front office. No way, no how.

I'll bet in ten -fifteen years from now, this will go down as the one of the worst GM moves ever. Better yet, I'll bet LT will put up with this crap for about another two years before he starts to demanding a trade.

09-30-2007, 10:36 PM	#1
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,353	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? The chargers suck and the Padres choked! It's not a good day to be a San Diego Fan!

09-30-2007, 10:46 PM	#2
Redskins247 Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 877	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? I think it goes to show just how much the Coach or coaches impact their team...and obviously immediately!!! This is the second week they've fucked me in my football pool! But can you imagine being a die-hard Chargers fan going into the playoffs last year 14-2....and since it's just been complete hell!!!!!

09-30-2007, 11:20 PM	#3
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? This is the second time an owner has fired Marty foolishly! __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

09-30-2007, 11:39 PM	#5
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? SD knocked me out of my suicide pool today also.. I should have KNOWN better than to trust Norv.. Worst head coach in NFL history. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

10-01-2007, 12:01 AM	#6
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? Let's be honest. Norv is a seriously great guy. Anyone who has ever met him will atest to that. Most people acknowledge he is a pretty good O coordinator. But why anyone thought he could head coach any team after what he did here and in Oakland is a moron. Just a total dip sh*t moron. AJ Smith is done. There is no way they can not fire him. I'd fire him and Norv now and bring backMarty tommorrow for whatver it costs to get him. What a joke. I cry every time I think how close the Cowboys were to hiring Norv.

10-01-2007, 12:05 AM	#10
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? Did you see that (annoying) Keith Oberman "worst man in the NFL" thing at the half of the gints-iggles? It was the owner and GM of the chargers in a tie. Marty for the ole ball coach is the meddling of a young billionaire who does want his team to succeed, and thinks he can do it the same way he plays fantasy football. Marty for Norvil is just plain stupid. After 14-2? And they let all the good assistants go before canning marty, to make it worse. And the Padres are looking to choke. Tough times in SD. __________________ Hail from Houston!

10-01-2007, 12:14 AM	#11
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 50 Posts: 9,534	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? They should fire Turner and hire Spurrier. LOL. (then put Petitbon and Robiskie on the staff!) __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

10-01-2007, 07:38 AM	#12
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 51 Posts: 5,311	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? We cannot discount the Chargers defense though. Ted Cottrell was brought in, and I've heard that the San Diego defense is really what's different from last year. I'd bet the Chiefs don't score 30 points in a game for another two seasons. Still, the team appears to suffer from the general malaise that Norv's teams are famous for. It's a long season though, and something tells me that the Bolts are going to right the ship at some point. There's just too much talent for it not to happen.

10-01-2007, 09:12 AM	#13
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? The most surprising thing to me is how poorly Phillip Rivers has played. I thought Norv would at least be able to maximize his potential. If he can't even get Rivers going then what is Norv "the QB guru" Turner good for? Its gonna get ugly in SD pretty quickly. Losing to the Chiefs at home might just bring the whole house down. __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

10-01-2007, 12:15 AM	#14
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 50 Posts: 9,534	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? I bet Bill Cowher will be enticed to the Chargers next year. How can someone NOT want to come out of retirement for such a talented team? __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

10-01-2007, 08:44 AM	#15
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? I'm going to go out on a limb here, the Chargers probably lost their window of opportunity to play in a Super Bowl for the next several years. And this is the arrogance of AJ, in his mind this is a team that is 14-2, surely they canl bounce back and be just as good next year. Look at how Gruden has struggled since taking over Dungy's team in Tampa. Look how long it took Dungy with the same squad, same QB to finally get the Colts to a Super Bowl. Marty has been too close too many times for you not to let him ride this thing out for another two or three years. You don't get this close, and completely overhaul the front office. No way, no how. I'll bet in ten -fifteen years from now, this will go down as the one of the worst GM moves ever. Better yet, I'll bet LT will put up with this crap for about another two years before he starts to demanding a trade.

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