Why It's Not as Simple as Ws vs Ls

[Stacks42]

My point is that this team is too complacent, this is the 4th year of JG part deux and the team continues to make the same mistakes, lose games, and lose to teams they should beat. Everyone (including myself) says “they are going to turn it around and make improvements” but when? In the time that Gibbs has been here we have seen two of our cast off coaches become winners (Shottenheimer and Marvin Lewis) they turned perennial losers into powerhouses, and yet we (the skins) still flounder around and remain mediocre, and make excuses. Who does the buck stop with? Im not calling for the coaches head, but when you have four years to turn the ship around, and one of the highest payrolls for both players and coaches, you are expected to win, or at least show a little heart.
Front office mistakes have cost the skins draft picks (Lloyd, Archuletta, and many others), and tons of cap money just to have these guys sit on the bench, when everyone in the league said they wouldn’t fit Skins, boy did we prove them wrong. Who made those calls?
I hope we turn it around, I am a diehard skins fan. After the first two wins everyone at work was proclaiming Superbowl, I didn’t see it, we squeeked by two teams that in my estimation were not that good. We lost to the Giants when we had a lead, and should have put the game away. We left our D on the field and exposed them. If we scored the last touchdown and then won in overtime, I would still have the same questions.
Then next few weeks will show what type of team the Skins are, we are going to face some of the better offenses in the league, if we get a lead we better hold it.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Is it just me or is it the fact we lost to the Giants at home the reason it stings so much?

MOST of us expected to be 2-1 at this juncture anyway. Would we be singing the same tune if we had lost to the Eagles and beaten the Giants? We'd still be at 2-1.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Is it just me or is it the fact we lost to the Giants at home the reason it stings so much?

MOST of us expected to be 2-1 at this juncture anyway. Would we be singing the same tune if we had lost to the Eagles and beaten the Giants? We'd still be at 2-1.

In many fans eyes, you are only as good as your last game....or last play.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

In many fans eyes, you are only as good as your last game....or last play.

I prefer to think you're only as good as your NEXT game.

[Stacks42]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Is it just me or is it the fact we lost to the Giants at home the reason it stings so much?

MOST of us expected to be 2-1 at this juncture anyway. Would we be singing the same tune if we had lost to the Eagles and beaten the Giants? We'd still be at 2-1.

I think it was the fact of how the skins lost, they showed so much promise in the first half, only to lose a game which they should have won. This "protect the lead" conservative game that JG gibbs (and staff) plays is almost like a prevent def, attacking the other team is what got you the lead, continue to attack til its over.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

I think it was the fact of how the skins lost, they showed so much promise in the first half, only to lose a game which they should have won. This "protect the lead" conservative game that JG gibbs (and staff) plays is almost like a prevent def, attacking the other team is what got you the lead, continue to attack til its over.

All I here is that we went into this type of prevent O which is total bull. I have said this in about every thread but it seem to get ignored. We had a bunch of wide open WR's in the second half which our young QB missed. I'm not saying he threw a bad pass he did not throw the ball their way. It seemed to me that in the 2nd half we had about 8 plays were we had a guy wide open for an easy 10 to 20 yard gain and the ball went else where. JC has average around 200 yards per game and thats with atleast one big play in each game so either our WR's are not gettin open or he is not seeing the open guy. Sunday was the first game I have seen but I saw him miss a ton of open players. So before we go blamming others maybe we need to realise that JC is still young and is going to miss those plays and cost us some games. I think the fact that he did not trow an int. makes people not look at his performance as a big part of our loss against the Giants.

[JWsleep]

Good thread, Schneed.

Here's my 2 cents: Redskins fans are very fragile (myself included!), because of what happened last year, and over the last decade. We start with promise (2-0), have it all lined up with a chance to FINALLY assert our rightful dominance, and then we fuck it up, in the most painful way imaginable (or close).

And then it's: we've seen this before, now we collapse, lose to shitty teams, don't show up in big games, play anemic offense and weak defense, and fail to make the playoffs. (Note: I AM NOT ENDORSING THIS SCENARIO!). We've been conditioned like Pavlov's dogs to react like this. We've been burned too many times before. That's why you get the sky-is-falling routine. And why you get a failure to look on the bright side, or to see the good with the bad. We're like a beaten spouse--we're locked into a negative mentality.

(Sorry for the long post... don't hit me! )

[sandtrapjack]

Nice points are brought up in this thread.

Need to stop thinking of it as 16 one-game seasons and think of it more as one 16-game season.

How a team responds after a loss like this is what will truely define them.

[irish]

The minutia of the game is unimportant. It doesnt matter if the line blocked well or the WRs ran great routes, the team lost and last time I checked that's the only part of the game that really counts.

Like they say in golf, its not how, its how many. The Skins didnt have enough on Sunday.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

The minutia of the game is unimportant. It doesnt matter if the line blocked well or the WRs ran great routes, the team lost and last time I checked that's the only part of the game that really counts.

Like they say in golf, its not how, its how many. The Skins didnt have enough on Sunday.

So then losing like the Lions did (56-21 to the Eagles) and us losing like we did to the Giants (a chance to tie in the final seconds), means that we should not be considered favorites against the Lions because both the Skins and Lions lost?

Again, read my initial post. The point isn't to look BACK at the Giants game. The point is to assess how well we played, which will be an indicator of how well we'll play against the Lions, which will be an indicator of our chances of beating them.

In case some of my fellow Warpathers haven't gotten the message of this thread... the point is to look FORWARD, not backward. What's done is done. You can't change it, stop lamenting, and start assessing our chances against the Lions.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

So then losing like the Lions did (56-21 to the Eagles) and us losing like we did to the Giants (a chance to tie in the final seconds), means that we should not be considered favorites against the Lions because both the Skins and Lions lost?

Again, read my initial post. The point isn't to look BACK at the Giants game. The point is to assess how well we played, which will be an indicator of how well we'll play against the Lions, which will be an indicator of our chances of beating them.

In case some of my fellow Warpathers haven't gotten the message of this thread... the point is to look FORWARD, not backward. What's done is done. You can't change it, stop lamenting, and start assessing our chances against the Lions.

I would think losing the way we did vs the way the Lions did would make us favorites vs the Lions.

Isnt assessing how we played the same as looking back?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

I would think losing the way we did vs the way the Lions did would make us favorites vs the Lions.

Isnt assessing how we played the same as looking back?

Yes, assessing how we played is looking back, but it's not looking back at the result. It's looking back and analyzing the past to try to find a glimpse of the future.

The bolded section proves that you don't think all is lost, and that you are at least taking some positives out of the negative result from Sunday.

Everything is relative in the NFL. To win, you need to play better than your opponents. The question is, can we play better than most of our opponents the rest of the way? I think so; the Giants game did nothing to make me think otherwise.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yes, assessing how we played is looking back, but it's not looking back at the result. It's looking back and analyzing the past to try to find a glimpse of the future.

The bolded section proves that you don't think all is lost, and that you are at least taking some positives out of the negative result from Sunday.

Everything is relative in the NFL. To win, you need to play better than your opponents. The question is, can we play better than most of our opponents the rest of the way? I think so; the Giants game did nothing to make me think otherwise.

I dont think all is lost. Its only the 3rd game and there's a lot more football to be played. Sunday was a game the Skins should have won but didnt, thats the way sports go. I suspect they will win a game that they should lose. Shizzle happens.

I think the Skins will play better than some opponents and not better than some. considering they have played 3 games where they looked good in 1 (Phil), terrible in another (NYG) and ok in the 3rd (Mia) it seem like this will be a team that should play around .500.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yes, assessing how we played is looking back, but it's not looking back at the result. It's looking back and analyzing the past to try to find a glimpse of the future.

The bolded section proves that you don't think all is lost, and that you are at least taking some positives out of the negative result from Sunday.

Everything is relative in the NFL. To win, you need to play better than your opponents. The question is, can we play better than most of our opponents the rest of the way? I think so; the Giants game did nothing to make me think otherwise.

I agree in part Schneed, but I must admit that during the course of Sunday's game I witnessed some disturbing trends that were so erily simular to last year. As we move foreward, I see areas that must be improved in order to be a consistently winning team, and the parts are not in place, and the injuries to key personell are mounting very early in the season.

Our major focus during the off-season was the lack of a pass rush, it reared it's ugly head again on Sunday, and during the stretch where the Giants converted seven cnnsecutive 3rd downs was so reminicient of last years game where they converted eight consecutive, and I mentioned in one of my posts during the offseason, it was something I hoped not to see again.

When coaches coach players to be in the correct place on the field to make plays, THEY MUST MAKE THE PLAY...Case in point, Carlos Rogers was in the proper position to make the play on the TD to Plexico Burress, what did he do? He missed the tackle. I mentioned that play in particular because people place so much emphasis on coaching, and play calling, but it's the players who must execute what the coaches coach. When plays work successfully, the coach and the players are applauded, (nice work, good job) when they don't work, the second guessing begins. It's going to be interesting to see how the remainder of this season shakes out.

[jbcjr14]

Do I think we should have won that football game on Sunday, HELL YES. Is it the end of the world? End of a season? HELL NO!

One thing I think we are overlooking is that the Giants really weren't that bad. They were 0-2 and they lost to the Cowpukes (1st in offense in the NFL) and the Packers (top 10 in offense in the NFL). The early parts of this season are showing the Cowboys to be the class of the NFC and the Pack not too far behind.

Regroup, coach em up and get a W vs the Lions. If we lose to the Lions at home (never happened) then I would be concerned a bit about the direction of this team.