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[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Excuse me but WTF does "essentially a rookie" mean. In case you haven't realized Campbell is a 3rd year QB. He has started 7 games. Are you suggesting he is as green as this years first pick Russell? Also, RM is not a rookie either. he started 2 games last year for us. These guys are now veterans. They may not be long time vets but they still have had time to adjust to the nfl game and its not like they have never played a down.

come on, i am speaking of experience. Campbell has 7 games, and Rocky has 2. Veterans?? with out 1 year experience of BEING ON THE FIELD?? I dont think so. They are essentially 1st year players. Look, I want the skins to win it all, I am just bringing up points that have been brought up 1000 times out here. Campbell has played 7 games, for a team that was going no where. what did he have to lose? lets see how they handle a 16 game season. I am trying to be realistic which is hard to find out here.

[irish]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

come on, i am speaking of experience. Campbell has 7 games, and Rocky has 2. Veterans?? with out 1 year experience of BEING ON THE FIELD?? I dont think so. They are essentially 1st year players. Look, I want the skins to win it all, I am just bringing up points that have been brought up 1000 times out here. Campbell has played 7 games, for a team that was going no where. what did he have to lose? lets see how they handle a 16 game season. I am trying to be realistic which is hard to find out here.

You are 100% correct. JC is basically a rookie. He does not even have half a season of starts under his belt. 16 games is a grind and when he takes the field for the 1st game the team will be trying to get to the super bowl, not trying to finish the season on an up-note, the pressure is a little different. Hopefully JC is up to the task.

Realism is often in short supply on this site.

[#56fanatic]

I dont feel I am being pessamistic at all. well, maybe a little. 2 winning season in 10 years I would imagine gives me a little right to be. I hope JC comes in and lights it up, like Warner, Brady, but that would not be the norm for a 1st year starter. if anyone is "expecting" him to come in and be probowl material is a little dilusional. you would expect Peyton, brady, Palmer and those guys to light it up.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

i guess if they had us in the top 10 they would be great writers?? when are you people going to realize if the Skins dont win on the field, this is where we are. We have had two, count them, two winning seasons in all most 10 years. We have like the 2nd or 3rd worst losing record in the NFL over that 10 year span. What makes any of you think we dont deserve to be in the bottom 3rd of the league? is it because our payroll is the highest in the NFL year after year?? that we supposedly have all this talent?? if we had all the talent, then we would be in the top 3rd.

lets put this together from someone (the writers) not wearing burgandy & gold shades. Campbell at QB - showed some flashed, but essentially a Rookie - Portis coming off injuries - Betts - was last year the real Betts, or is the real Betts the one that can't stay healty? WR corp - other than Moss, who do we have that can produce?? O-line - losing Dock, putting a career tackle in his spot, how is that going to work out. the defensive line - horrible last year, no changes is it still going to be horrible?? Adding an aging MLB and starting essentially a rookie on the outside - is that going to work out. probably starting a rookie at the safety position. is shawn springs going to stay healthy? There are a ton of questions about this team that puts us in the bottom 3rd of the league. Stop thinking because of all the money we spend that we are automatically good.

Also, can the head coach and offensive coordinator get along and agree on how the team is going to operate??

Will GW "out coach" him self again this year??

I think 25-28 is pretty solid ranking for a team that has this many questions.

Yes, I can see that the team's record last year and failure to produce over the course of the last decade would translate into a low ranking. We probably deserve it. But consider Cole's ranking of 29. This ranking puts the Redskins in the bottom four of the league. The NFL's bottom four from last year all won four games or less, meaning that Cole basically believes we are at best a 4-12 team. But look at his overall rankings--seven of the teams in his bottom half are on the Redskins' schedule, including four in his bottom ten (Bills, Bucs, Lions and Vikings). So in the half of our schedule that is against the league's worst teams, he sees us playing .500 at best, and losing to every single opponent in the other half of the schedule. Do you have to be a homer to believe the Redskins are not this bad?

[MTK]

So for those that are considering him to be 'just a rookie', will you cut him the slack that goes along with a rookie QB this year?

I guess if being realistic means being as pessimistic as possible... then yeah I guess we're lacking in that area around here. Welcome to life on fan(aticle) site.

[SmootSmack]

Well reality is Campbell going into this season has more NFL experience than Kurt Warner did for the Rams in 1999 (Super Bowl Champs); Tom Brady did for the Patriots in 2000 (Super Bowl Champs); and Ben Roethlisberger did in 2004 (15-1 record, AFC Championship game)

[irish]

I also dont think I am being pessemistic and frankly what has this team done in the last 15 years to make me optimistic. I believe I give credit where its due and negative comments when thats called for.


I agree that JC has more experience than the QBs Smoot mentiones but the problem JC faces is that his team is not a legit playoff contender or even expected by most to finish with a winning record. The teams Smoot mentions were all legit playoff contenders and the Rams in particular were picked by some to win the Super Bowl.

I hope JC kicks butt but its a team game and right now he's not on a great team.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by irish

I also dont think I am being pessemistic and frankly what has this team done in the last 15 years to make me optimistic. I believe I give credit where its due and negative comments when thats called for.


I agree that JC has more experience than the QBs Smoot mentiones but the problem JC faces is that his team is not a legit playoff contender or even expected by most to finish with a winning record. The teams Smoot mentions were all legit playoff contenders and the Rams in particular were picked by some to win the Super Bowl.

I hope JC kicks butt but its a team game and right now he's not on a great team.

We made it to the second round of the playoffs two years ago, which is more than A LOT of teams have done. We do have what it takes.. I just think it takes time. The fans around here have such high standards. I'm not saying that's wrong, but there will be times when things are going our way and times they are not. It happens to EVERY team. There are teams that have never seen the Super Bowl. Be lucky you aren't their fans. Being able to watch players like ST, Portis, ARL, and Moss I think is a privilege. I get excited just thinking about what they are going to do out there. We don't always win, but there is almost ALWAYS a good show from someone. It's not boring!!!! HAIL! J

[irish]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

We made it to the second round of the playoffs two years ago, which is more than A LOT of teams have done. We do have what it takes.. I just think it takes time. The fans around here have such high standards. I'm not saying that's wrong, but there will be times when things are going our way and times they are not. It happens to EVERY team. There are teams that have never seen the Super Bowl. Be lucky you aren't their fans. Being able to watch players like ST, Portis, ARL, and Moss I think is a privilege. I get excited just thinking about what they are going to do out there. We don't always win, but there is almost ALWAYS a good show from someone. It's not boring!!!! HAIL! J

High standards? What are you talking about? This team has 2 playoff appearances in 15 years. They are trolling down in Saints & Cards country yet the fans keep buying tickets and merchandise like the team has won 3 super bowls in a row. If you ask me the fans around here have incredibly low standards to keep putting up with this crap instead of voicing their disgust with how low this organization sunk.

IMO anyone with high standards for the redskins (that they continually fail to meet) who points out that the skins are not cutting it is labeled as negative.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

High standards? What are you talking about? This team has 2 playoff appearances in 15 years. They are trolling down in Saints & Cards country yet the fans keep buying tickets and merchandise like the team has won 3 super bowls in a row. If you ask me the fans around here have incredibly low standards to keep putting up with this crap instead of voicing their disgust with how low this organization sunk.

IMO anyone with high standards for the redskins (that they continually fail to meet) who points out that the skins are not cutting it is labeled as negative.

It's got nothing to do with standards, it's just a very loyal fan base who are willing to stick by their team through thick and thin. That doesn't mean we're happy with losing or have even accepted it. The Skins are our team no matter what, end of story.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's got nothing to do with standards, it's just a very loyal fan base who are willing to stick by their team through thick and thin. That doesn't mean we're happy with losing or have even accepted it. The Skins are our team no matter what, end of story.

I think a lot of people have accepted losing as long as the team keeps looking like they are trying to win.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by irish

I guess if you are looking for proof of lowered standards (from anything less than a super bowl win is acceptable) see post 24 of this thread. If that isnt a lowered standard I dont know what is. I honestly think I lot of fans think that way now because losing and mediocre play seems to have become endemic to this organization.

Originally Posted by hesscl34

We made it to the second round of the playoffs two years ago, which is more than A LOT of teams have done. We do have what it takes.. I just think it takes time. The fans around here have such high standards. I'm not saying that's wrong, but there will be times when things are going our way and times they are not. It happens to EVERY team. There are teams that have never seen the Super Bowl. Be lucky you aren't their fans. Being able to watch players like ST, Portis, ARL, and Moss I think is a privilege. I get excited just thinking about what they are going to do out there. We don't always win, but there is almost ALWAYS a good show from someone. It's not boring!!!! HAIL! J

Wow - You take a perfectly reasonable, well-thought out post, stating a realistic point of view, that encourages an optimistic way to approach the upcoming season and finds the high points in the past 10 years and sh-- all over it. Clearly, you're the kind of person who, if given a pony, would say "look at all this crap I have to clean up".

Hess' post is not saying "Hey, we're losers but it doesnt matter". Rather, it merely points out that even in the losing years there are highpoints. Further, we have made it deep into the playoffs recently and there is hope that we can succeed again.

You seem to argue that, b/c the team is not a consistent play-off contender and because people are not miserably unhappy due to this fact, everyone has low standards. I disagree. This team is my passion and I am truly miserable after every loss. At the same time, since it is my passion and I refuse remain unhappy and will (as Hess points out) find the bright spots (last year's home game against the Cowboys for example).

Because I intend to enjoy my passion, I will continually root, cheer and find some shred of hope in the things done by this team and which I have no control over. Further, I will argue vociferously and, hopefully, intelligently when people give me crap about the Skins. They may shake their heads and laugh BUT I will consistently reinforce the positives so that when they do, inevitably, succeed, I can say "I told you so".

You seem to relish your decision to refuse to find positives about the team. Does that mean you have higher standards than Hess? No. It simply means you enjoy being a grumbling curmudgeon and she does not.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

I also dont think I am being pessemistic and frankly what has this team done in the last 15 years to make me optimistic. I believe I give credit where its due and negative comments when thats called for.


I agree that JC has more experience than the QBs Smoot mentiones but the problem JC faces is that his team is not a legit playoff contender or even expected by most to finish with a winning record. The teams Smoot mentions were all legit playoff contenders and the Rams in particular were picked by some to win the Super Bowl.

I hope JC kicks butt but its a team game and right now he's not on a great team.

The Rams, who were 4-12 the previous year and had just lost prized free agent QB to a torn ACL were picked by people beyond their fans to win the Super Bowl? I must have missed that

I don't believe you give credit where it's due for this team. But that's another discussion for another day, if ever

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Rams, who were 4-12 the previous year and had just lost prized free agent QB to a torn ACL were picked by people beyond their fans to win the Super Bowl? I must have missed that

I don't believe you give credit where it's due for this team. But that's another discussion for another day, if ever

Yeah must have been Rams fans talking, cause I don't ever remember the Rams getting any hype before they won that SB. In fact they were one of the true jokes of the NFL at that time.

[hesscl34]

This just made me sick. Do these people know anything?? ... what a freakin joke.