Scouts Inc. TE rankings

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Yeah, I agree. There is no scenario in which I put Shockey in the Top 5 best TE's in football. Also, I agree about Witten. I think he's a very nice player, but he's not the same player. I'd take Cooley over him any day of the week.

As for Crumpler, as the primary target of his QB, it's a little unfair to compare the 2. I'd be interested to see a scenario in which Cooley were the primary target (just to see where his production would be, however, I don't wish injury on all the wide outs).

What has to intrigue you jdlea is not that he's the primary target of Vicks is that every defensive coordinator every defensive players knows he's the primary target an that vick's going to throw to him and still he post better numbers than cooley and Witten.

That tells you how good he is it's like Gates can you tell me a better receiver in SD he's the primary target still each week he goes out and humiliates every defense

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

What has to intrigue you jdlea is not that he's the primary target of Vicks is that every defensive coordinator every defensive players knows he's the primary target an that vick's going to throw to him and still he post better numbers than cooley and Witten.

That tells you how good he is it's like Gates can you tell me a better receiver in SD he's the primary target still each week he goes out and humiliates every defense

I don't buy this argument. He still gets covered by LBs and safeties, not CBs. I am not convinced that he gets too much greater attention than does any other top tier TE.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Shockey is pretty awful. He can't block, he doesn't have the best hands, and hes undisciplined. He runs his mouth a lot, and for whatever reason, the media associates that with having skill.

Witten has a very different game than Cooley. Very smart player. It's all about personal preference at TE, but I don't think Witten's skill set is too much different than your run of the mill TE. Certainly in my mind inferior to Cooley's.

I don't think I could make an argument for Cooley over the other 3, (Save of course, "YAC is really REALLY important". It is.) Crumpler's a better blocker, and the other two have really had off the hook production.

I think you are underrating Heap a bit (and obviously Cooley), but its no biggie.

the only reason I put Heap under Shockey it's because he get injured 2 much if not Heap would be fifth even fourth I don't like Shockey either i think he's big mouth spoiled brat that can hurt his team more than help but you can't argue his stats 4 years with over 60+ catches 3 season with 6 or more TD 2 season with almsot 900 yards cooley has had oly 1 year with 60+ catches and 3 with 6 or more tds but only 2 seasons with 700+ yards.

I think with V.Davis, Winsow, Cooley and Others this is the last year Shockey would be in a top 5 list but untill that he's the fifth or sixt best.

[RobH4413]

I'm sure he does get thrown too more, and drops more passes as well.

Do you know where you can find stats for this?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I'm sure he does get thrown too more, and drops more passes as well.

Do you know where you can find stats for this?

PFP 2007 will have it...but the release date is still a week away.

Other than that, no, no I do not.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

the only reason I put Heap under Shockey it's because he get injured 2 much if not Heap would be fifth even fourth I don't like Shockey either i think he's big mouth spoiled brat that can hurt his team more than help but you can't argue his stats 4 years with over 60+ catches 3 season with 6 or more TD 2 season with almsot 900 yards cooley has had oly 1 year with 60+ catches and 3 with 6 or more tds but only 2 seasons with 700+ yards.

I think with V.Davis, Winsow, Cooley and Others this is the last year Shockey would be in a top 5 list but untill that he's the fifth or sixt best.

Are you saying that Heap is more injury prone than Shockey? Seems to me Shockey is always hurt somehow. Plus he's dumb as sh*t. Intelligence injury right there.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Shockey is pretty awful. He can't block, he doesn't have the best hands, and hes undisciplined. He runs his mouth a lot, and for whatever reason, the media associates that with having skill.

Witten has a very different game than Cooley. Very smart player. It's all about personal preference at TE, but I don't think Witten's skill set is too much different than your run of the mill TE. Certainly in my mind inferior to Cooley's.

I don't think I could make an argument for Cooley over the other 3, (Save of course, "YAC is really REALLY important". It is.) Crumpler's a better blocker, and the other two have really had off the hook production.

I think you are underrating Heap a bit (and obviously Cooley), but its no biggie.

Good post man, I love reading your stuff Gtripp. I didn't really know how to word my thoughts, but this pretty much sums it up.

[RobH4413]

I originally posted that I hated Shockey, and that he was over-rated.

But pulled up his stats and they're pretty fuggin good.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I originally posted that I hated Shockey, and that he was over-rated.

But pulled up his stats and they're pretty fuggin good.

If Manning gets him the ball, hes going to get a lot of yards.

That doesn't mean a whole lot to me. I want better than expected production from my TE position. Shockey doesn't bring that.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If Manning gets him the ball, hes going to get a lot of yards.

That doesn't mean a whole lot to me. I want better than expected production from my TE position. Shockey doesn't bring that.

I really don't think Manning is that good of a QB, and his stats are as good as Cooley's, if not better.

He's done it for longer, and he's fairly consistent.

Does he drop balls, yes. But he's still a good tight end.

Bastard, yes, talented... definitely.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I really don't think Manning is that good of a QB, and his stats are as good as Cooley's, if not better.

He's done it for longer, and he's fairly consistent.

Does he drop balls, yes. But he's still a good tight end.

Bastard, yes, talented... definitely.

Doesn't matter if its Spergeon Wynn at QB...well maybe Spergeon Wynn.

If he gets more passes thrown at him than Cooley, hes going to get more yards (unless the talent discrepancy is crazy). That doesn't tell us enough about the player.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Scouts Inc.

Third-year player Eric Edwards was recently acquired from the Cardinals and may give Redskins QB Jason Campbell more options in the passing game.

What insight!

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I dont see how they didnt get in top 5 on that.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I wouldnt say Shockey sucks. He is just very inconsistent.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I wouldnt say Shockey sucks. He is just very inconsistent.

I don't literally think he sucks, but initially I was going to say he was over-rated. Then I proceeded to over-rate him myself based on flawed statistics.