PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Not so sure I'm buying this one? They could certainly tiddy up shop, but clean the house.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Yeah I think some tidying up will happen. If I remember right, I think I heard that they're high on Campbell, not so much on Riddick. Or vice versa, I forget

[mooby]

Well as long as they keep Eric Schaffer i'm good. I'm gonna be happy if this is the signal of move towards building through the draft.

[diehardskin2982]

make schaffer gm fire cerrato and let eric put in his own staff

[70Chip]

I think Riddich may go. He's in charge of pro scouting which means that A.A, Lloyd, Carter, Fauria etc. are on him.

Vinny is probably safe because a) he is a Snyder's puppet meaning any criticism of him or his role is an attack on the boss and b) his firing would lead to long discussions about who's in charge of what and is he going to be replaced.

What's odd is that they drop a rumor about people being fired and then they go to a press guide to find out who those people are. Must be a rather vague rumor:

"I heard the Redskins are going to fire someone in their front office."

"Who?"

"Don't know exactly. Someone."

Is this the way people inside the "league circles" talk to each other?

My take: PFT is Commanding the Dawn again.

[freddyg12]

Gibbs has to take the blame & he does, but wouldn't the scouting dept. be responsible for finding out about players' personalities & history?
I don't know who to blame, but AA & Loyd both had issues before coming here that the rest of league (and RExi) seemed to know about.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Gibbs has to take the blame & he does, but wouldn't the scouting dept. be responsible for finding out about players' personalities & history?
I don't know who to blame, but AA & Loyd both had issues before coming here that the rest of league (and RExi) seemed to know about.

Yup. He has to and he does. But it's the the scouting department that does the research and leg work. Just like any job, upper management (Gibbs and company) analyzes the information that the lower lever employees have put together.

Like I've said before though, so many people like to bitch and moan about our front office and want to see changes but they don't really want any substantial changes. They just want a stylish change, i.e. they just want to see the title General Manager in front of someone's name. Even if everything else stays the same. But the real changes have to come at the bottom, not the top.

It reminds me of the Wizards. They're doing really well now and getting good talent. But what people don't know is that Michael Jordan had a lot to do with that while he was President of the team. He completely overhauled the scouting department. When he got there there were like 2-3 scouts total, and none for overseas markets. He added college and pro scouts across the world, set up a checks and balances system for evaluation. And the team is better for it.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Yup. He has to and he does. But it's the the scouting department that does the research and leg work. Just like any job, upper management (Gibbs and company) analyzes the information that the lower lever employees have put together.

Like I've said before though, so many people like to bitch and moan about our front office and want to see changes but they don't really want any substantial changes. They just want a stylish change, i.e. they just want to see the title General Manager in front of someone's name. Even if everything else stays the same. But the real changes have to come at the bottom, not the top.

It reminds me of the Wizards. They're doing really well now and getting good talent. But what people don't know is that Michael Jordan had a lot to do with that while he was President of the team. He completely overhauled the scouting department. When he got there there were like 2-3 scouts total, and none for overseas markets. He added college and pro scouts across the world, set up a checks and balances system for evaluation. And the team is better for it.

Didn't know that about the Wiz, I just thought his best moves were cutting Howard et al.
This past offseason really brought it home that there are structural flaws w/the team's player acquisition process. I don't care so much about the GM position as I do having quality staff & someone who's accountable, which is Gibbs. Maybe Gibbs will be our MJ in that much of his changes won't come to fruition till after he's gone.
I'm all for overhauling the scouting dept. but it sucks that there's already word on the streets.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Gibbs has to take the blame & he does, but wouldn't the scouting dept. be responsible for finding out about players' personalities & history?
I don't know who to blame, but AA & Loyd both had issues before coming here that the rest of league (and RExi) seemed to know about.

Very fair point, but to not get it right about Lloyd is on him he could have found out himself by making a few phone calls, or just sitting down with him, he was an NFL player the book was out on him, I do believe you can make time to find that out for a 2nd rd pick.

Matty72 Not really, firing the entire dept right before the draft is what would be idiotic. It takes time to put a scouting dept together.

Agreed as much as I think there all just a bunch of clowns, but don't you think this should have been taken care of well before this draft so we are not jeopardizing this draft.

[gabe1984]

ummmm, yeah, why are we firing a guy who's name is Shemy Schembechler?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by gabe1984

ummmm, yeah, why are we firing a guy who's name is Shemy Schembechler?

And yes he is Bo's son, for those wondering

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

And yes he is Bo's son, for those wondering

We need to keep that dude for his name, wonder if they call him Shem Shem?

[gabe1984]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

And yes he is Bo's son, for those wondering

I was wondering, nice fun fact TAFKAS.

[JWsleep]

PFT... If you had 500 monkeys with 500 computers hooked to the internet, you'd get about as good info.

But this is the slow times, so: sure, fire the scouts. But GW was sold on AA, so it's pretty hard to blame Vinny and co for that. Still, brining in someone with the balls and brains to really do the job may help. Also, I agree that it's hard to fault the cap guy here. He's proven that if we want to overspend for an underachieving FA, we can do so at will.

[Daseal]

But what people don't know is that Michael Jordan had a lot to do with that while he was President of the team. He completely overhauled the scouting department. When he got there there were like 2-3 scouts total, and none for overseas markets. He added college and pro scouts across the world, set up a checks and balances system for evaluation. And the team is better for it.

He also chased RIP Hamilton out of town.

Can anyone explain to me what Eric Schaffer does and what he's done in the past? I think the first thing we need to do is take the head coach out of the personel department. It hasn't worked for other teams and it's not working for us. Coaches coach, front offices scout and draft. I'm not saying there shouldn't be communication, or Gibbs saying "I'm looking for a WR, but I need someone with some size." for example.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Can anyone explain to me what Eric Schaffer does and what he's done in the past?

He's the cap accountant. He understands the cap and it rules and figures out how to make $120,000,000 = $100,000,00 in cap space. I think he is a double-edged sword. It seems he and Joe Mendes(his predecessor) we're so good it made the style we use for talent aquisition more feasible. If only they'd sucked maybe we'd be better off.