Our next coach??

[skinsnut]

Is Jack Pardee still alive?
He was average....that would be a huge upgrade and he probably knows a lot about bingo

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

What about Holmgren, he is the most accomplished of the bunch aside from Parcells, who I believe is not available. He would also have most of his coaching staff in place so there would be less of a learning curve for the players.

I'm just not a big fan of his. Not saying he's not a good coach, but he did walk away from the game on bottom. 4-12 in his last season shows he wasn't really into it, especially when he called his retirement a year earlier. Let's not forget they took his GM duties away in Seattle, and I just don't think he has the desire to win it all anymore. He really had a great career when with Favre (.670%), and not so well with Hasselbeck (.538%) and he had some really good teams in Seattle. My biggest point is that I just don't think Holmgren has the desire to make us winners again. The others I pointed out, IMO, do.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Dungy...absolutely. Gruden, certainly. Maybe even cowher...the rest can sit.

All 3 would be great J, but without a change in management any acquisition of one of the above three names would almost be a moot point, or a waste of money.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

All 3 would be great J, but without a change in management any acquisition of one of the above three names would almost be a moot point, or a waste of money.

You certainly have a point, but considering Snyder isn't going anywhere, and his butt buddy Cerrato likely will still be around too, does this mean we just quit on bringing a qualified coaching staff in? We are all fairly certain Zorn is gone, so we should be getting a new coaching staff, but we do not know if our upper management will be here or not even though we can hope. Gotta still find the best, and HOPE Snyder / Cerrato suddenly have an epiphany.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Dungy...absolutely. Gruden, certainly. Maybe even cowher...the rest can sit.

I'd say Billick > Cowher, but I agree that a list of coaches who have already won the SB means we are looking for a savior in all the wrong places.

There's no shortage of qualified up-and-comers who can do the job, you just need the structure to be better than what Zorn had to deal with.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Russ Grimm has never won a Super Bowl as a coach. If you open up possibilities to players who have won a Super Bowl, you run the SERIOUS risk of getting a head coach who has never been a head coach before.

Does that sound familiar?

Coaches who have Super Bowl rings and are "out there" include:

Bill Cowher
Mike Shanahan
Mike Holmgren
Jon Gruden
Dick Vermeil
Brian Billick
Tony Dungy
Bill Parcells
George Seifert

Looking at that list, I'd guess Gruden, Billick and Seifert are the "most available"...

Seifert??? NO WAY..dont you remember the debacle he was in Carolina. I think Blache would be better than Seifert.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Seifert??? NO WAY..dont you remember the debacle he was in Carolina. I think Blache would be better than Seifert.

Is he even alive? Can anyone find him? I don't think he's talked to anyone since he left carolina.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

At this point I only want a coach that has won a superbowl. No more offensive coordinators, college or QB coaches. The only exception I'll make is Russ Grimm.

Why is that? You only want experienced, proven winners, yet you'll make an exception for someone who's exactly the opposite?

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Why is that? You only want experienced, proven winners, yet you'll make an exception for someone who's exactly the opposite?

Grimm would be the exception because he was a member of the greatest offensive line ever assembled, which happens to be our greatest area of need. Also, it's no coincidence that he's been the o-line/assistant head coach for 2 different teams with superbowl appearances. He's one assistant that is way past due for a head coaching job. He would be a perfect fit in Washington. Where he coaches, the wins follow.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Grimm would be the exception because he was a member of the greatest offensive line ever assembled, which happens to be our greatest area of need. Also, it's no coincidence that he's been the o-line/assistant head coach for 2 different teams with superbowl appearances. He's one assistant that is way past due for a head coaching job. He would be a perfect fit in Washington. Where he coaches, the wins follow.

Has he ever even been an offensive coordinator, has he called plays? Who's to say Grimm would be a good head coach? I've got no problem with taking someone who hasn't been head coach, but I don't want another staff brought here without anyone with experiencing calling plays on offense. So if we bring Grimm in as HC, I hope someone like Bratkowski comes along as OC

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Has he ever even been an offensive coordinator, has he called plays? Who's to say Grimm would be a good head coach? I've got no problem with taking someone who hasn't been head coach, but I don't want another staff brought here without anyone with experiencing calling plays on offense. So if we bring Grimm in as HC, I hope someone like Bratkowski comes along as OC

Exactly; people will say he's tough and fix the o-line and all.. but you need more than that from an HC

he's been with the Steelers and the Cardinals.. neither one of them have a good o-line

so I guess bugel should get a spot somewhere too?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Has he ever even been an offensive coordinator, has he called plays? Who's to say Grimm would be a good head coach? I've got no problem with taking someone who hasn't been head coach, but I don't want another staff brought here without anyone with experiencing calling plays on offense. So if we bring Grimm in as HC, I hope someone like Bratkowski comes along as OC

I agree with you about Grimm as HC. I just dont get it. Its like some fans love him as a player, know he's been a O-line coach on some superbowl teams and think he's qualified to be our head coach. In my opinion, he's done nothing to prove he'd be better at the job than Zorn. Now, id consider him as an OC, but thats about it. We need an experienced coach right now. The team needs it. After the Zorn debacle, the players need someone they can respect.

[WaldSkins]

Maybe our new GM will pick the coach

[SBXVII]

Good question. In regards to the issue of Zorn?....unless he has kept his system under wraps and he breaks all hell lose and the Skins end the season with a winning record 10-6, he's done. Cooked. Stick a fork in him. I think we all know Zorn cannot fix this problem that VC created over time. Unfortunatly both are tied together.

We have tried the new up and coming OC when we plucked Norv from Dallas. We tried the big name in Marty, but didn't give it a chance. We tried the college coach in Spurrier, but we pick a gimmick system. We tried going old school/big name again in Gibbs. We tried someone people said would be another good up and commer in Zorn.

Basically our problem is Cerrato. Our secondary problem is picking someone who was not ready to be a HC and not allowing them to essemble their team of coach's to make the scheme work. The obvious is we need a decent an upgrade at GM. Either young or old and proven we need an upgrade. DS needs to allow the GM to conduct interviews with coach's in the system he understands so he can help pick players for that system from the draft. Then we need to allow the HC to collect his own staff. I know DS will be spending more money in order to accomplish this task but with out everyone on the same page we will go no further then we have been.

I think everyone would love to have a young talented qualified GM to make this a great team for yrs to come. A HC who is young who can build this team from the ground up to fit his system. And....young talented players who are healthy, faster, and stronger who will not be sitting on the bench taking up space trying to get healthy all the time.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Good question. In regards to the issue of Zorn?....unless he has kept his system under wraps and he breaks all hell lose and the Skins end the season with a winning record 10-6, he's done. Cooked. Stick a fork in him. I think we all know Zorn cannot fix this problem that VC created over time. Unfortunatly both are tied together.

We have tried the new up and coming OC when we plucked Norv from Dallas. We tried the big name in Marty, but didn't give it a chance. We tried the college coach in Spurrier, but we pick a gimmick system. We tried going old school/big name again in Gibbs. We tried someone people said would be another good up and commer in Zorn.

Basically our problem is Cerrato. Our secondary problem is picking someone who was not ready to be a HC and not allowing them to essemble their team of coach's to make the scheme work. The obvious is we need a decent an upgrade at GM. Either young or old and proven we need an upgrade. DS needs to allow the GM to conduct interviews with coach's in the system he understands so he can help pick players for that system from the draft. Then we need to allow the HC to collect his own staff. I know DS will be spending more money in order to accomplish this task but with out everyone on the same page we will go no further then we have been.

I think everyone would love to have a young talented qualified GM to make this a great team for yrs to come. A HC who is young who can build this team from the ground up to fit his system. And....young talented players who are healthy, faster, and stronger who will not be sitting on the bench taking up space trying to get healthy all the time.

SBXVII - your statement makes too much sense and most good teams follow this type of logic - but look at our past and I doubt it goes this way. I mean how many teams would pick the offensive coordinator first before hiring the head coach, and for that matter how many would already have a defensive coordinator in place - doesn't this kind of limit the type of head coaching applicants a team can obtain?

Also, if I remember correctly didn't Dan and Vinny interview the coaching canidates for some 16 hours or more - so now that we see the results of their extensive interviewing and personeel management analysis what does this say about the owner and his "super smart GM"?