Around the NFL Preseason week 3

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Still amazes me how pro owner fans are.

MJD was the Jags offense last year and let the NFL in rushing. If the Jags are too cheap to give him a deal, they should trade him. Unfortunately this is lose-lose situation for players like MJD (and Mike Wallace). Too bad the NFLPA couldn't work something out to allow players to be traded in situations like this.

Sometimes it's not about being too cheap, sometimes it's about budgeting and knowing the money that they bring in which is not as much as other teams since there was a rumor they woe be leaving because of fan attendance and lack of funds. Then there is paying all the bills and players and new players you budgeted for and now you have your star RB holding out for more money you might not have right now.


Or it could just be the new owner is setting a principal that he won't be bullied into a hold out that wants more money when he's already got a contract he should live up to first then get the big dollars.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Still amazes me how pro owner fans are.

MJD was the Jags offense last year and let the NFL in rushing. If the Jags are too cheap to give him a deal, they should trade him. Unfortunately this is lose-lose situation for players like MJD (and Mike Wallace). Too bad the NFLPA couldn't work something out to allow players to be traded in situations like this.

He already has a deal. I understand he's underpaid at 5 mil per year but not showing up is costing him money he'll never get back. Show up and try and work out a deal while you're in camp. Never understood why guys hold out who are under contract.

[WestCoastSkinsFan]

I love Jones-Drew. Absolutely love him. BUT...

You sign a contract extension in 09. It makes you one of the highest-paid RBs in the league. Negotiate something else in the first place or honor the contract.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by WestCoastSkinsFan

I love Jones-Drew. Absolutely love him. BUT...

You sign a contract extension in 09. It makes you one of the highest-paid RBs in the league. Negotiate something else in the first place or honor the contract.

When MJD signed his contract, he became one of the top 3 highest paid RBs in the league. The other two RBs were Steven Jackson and Larry Johnson. Another RB that was a top earner in 2009 was our own Clinton Portis. Right now Portis is about to retire, I don't know/think Johnson is employed, and Jackson is still playing ball but not at his 2009 level.

Last season, when MJD led the league in rushing, he was the 9th highest paid RB in the league behind CJ, Peterson, Jackson, DMC, DeAngelo Williams, Michael Turner, Arian Foster, and Reggie Bush. He might be 10th after Rice signed his contract.

If the Jags don't want to pay him, they should trade him.

[skinsfaninok]

Bottom line is MJD signed his contract a couple years back and is making like 5 million a year. Sorry but if anyone here was or is under contract at work and "held out " for more money, your bosses would laugh at u and say goodbye. He's a great player but He's not bigger than the jags organization, they can move on w out him. The NFL isn't The NBA, it's not a player league it's a TEAM league.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Bottom line is MJD signed his contract a couple years back and is making like 5 million a year. Sorry but if anyone here was or is under contract at work and "held out " for more money, your bosses would laugh at u and say goodbye. He's a great player but He's not bigger than the jags organization, they can move on w out him. The NFL isn't The NBA, it's not a player league it's a TEAM league.

Bottom line is owners can stop every holdout by guaranteeing contracts. They choose not to, which is fine. But they need to stop complaining about holdouts when they choose to allow them for the right to cut people "under contract".

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Bottom line is MJD signed his contract a couple years back and is making like 5 million a year. Sorry but if anyone here was or is under contract at work and "held out " for more money, your bosses would laugh at u and say goodbye. He's a great player but He's not bigger than the jags organization, they can move on w out him. The NFL isn't The NBA, it's not a player league it's a TEAM league.

Difference is, you and I work at a place where we are easily replaced and are not in the NFL. The Jags need MJD more than he needs them. You take care of your own, this just shows that the Jags will suck for a while. They could afford Laurent Robinson to a 30 million dollar contract, but can't afford Drew?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Difference is, you and I work at a place where we are easily replaced and are not in the NFL. The Jags need MJD more than he needs them. You take care of your own, this just shows that the Jags will suck for a while. They could afford Laurent Robinson to a 30 million dollar contract, but can't afford Drew?

i disagree a little bit. rb is such a replacable position. rashard jennings could probably give them 1,000 + yards and they easily make up the rest with Blackmon and Robinson in the passing game. plus, jones drew plays on a loser. the jags aren't going anywhere with or without him and the owner knows it....giving him the upper hand.

[Chico23231]

Jags should just sit and say nothing. They shouldnt entertain any trade offers. MJD will break, he's not gonna sit out the entire year. They are in a rebuilding process anyways, not like they are pushing for the playoffs. eff MJD

[sandtrapjack]

I can appreciate the integrity of the players contract. If you sign a contract, you see it through. MJD signed a contract, so he should play that contract. Makes sense.

As for the "one-year" wonder argument. That if a player has one good year, he should hold out for a new contract. There's a bit more to that than what is on the surface. The answer for the most part is NO, that should not be allowed to happen (ala DeSean Jackson)

MJD led the league in rushing last season. But he also led the league in rushing attempts. And he also led his team in receptions. He averages over 8 receipts per game. And he averages over 21 rushes per game. That is almost 30 offensive touches per game, on a team that averaged a little over 60 offensive plays from scrimmage per game in 2011. Yeah, MJD LITERALLY represents 50% of the Jags total offense.

He gets more touches than any player in the league. That equates to more chances of injury than any other player in the league.

There was a new CBA signed last year. MJD's current contract was signed under the old CBA.

MJD wants to get paid..PERIOD. He wants (and based on what he brings to his team, probably deserves) GUARANTEED money. All the Jags have to do is sign him to an extension with an exceptable amount of guaranteed money, and MJD will play.

With more touches than most players in the league, it only takes one hit to end a season or worse a career.

Again, I appreciate the integrity of a contract. You signed it, play it, see it through.

And for the first time I can recall, I am actually on the side of the player on this one.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I can appreciate the integrity of the players contract. If you sign a contract, you see it through. MJD signed a contract, so he should play that contract. Makes sense.
Again, I appreciate the integrity of a contract. You signed it, play it, see it through.

SO why don't you have that same mentality with the owners? They sign a player to a contract but are allowed to cut them at anytime without owing them the full contract. That street goes both ways. Either players should be allowed to hold out, or owners need to guarantee their full contracts. Owners should not have all the leverage.

Not sure why the NFLPA didn't do more in the lockout to combat this. NBA contracts allow some of them to "opt out", which is really something I expected to see in the NFL.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

SO why don't you have that same mentality with the owners? They sign a player to a contract but are allowed to cut them at anytime without owning them the full contract. That street goes both ways. Either players should be allowed to hold out, or owners need to guarantee their full contracts. Owners should not have all the leverage.

Not sure why the NFLPA didn't do more in the lockout to combat this. NBA contracts allow some of them to "opt out", which is really something I expected to see in the NFL.

Amazes me that more people don't follow that concept as well.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

SO why don't you have that same mentality with the owners? They sign a player to a contract but are allowed to cut them at anytime without owing them the full contract. That street goes both ways. Either players should be allowed to hold out, or owners need to guarantee their full contracts. Owners should not have all the leverage.

Not sure why the NFLPA didn't do more in the lockout to combat this. NBA contracts allow some of them to "opt out", which is really something I expected to see in the NFL.

We have to accept the fact that we will never see fully guaranteed contracts. The players and the NFLPA have accepted it.

That's why they meet in the middle. Where they can get a portion of that contract guaranteed..

And since we as fans don't necessarily get to see every little detail in a players contract, we have no way of knowing what they are owed.

All we here is what ESPN tells us. "Player A signed a 5 year deal with Team B worth 15 million". Thats all we get to see. Does that mean since the contract could be worth 15 million, that if the player is released he should get all 15?

We don't know how much of that 15 million is wrapped around incentives, or participation, or workout bonuses etc.

I agree with you in that common sense tells us that a contract is a contract is a contact and should be honored by both parties involved.

All I am saying is that a certain amount of a players contract should be guaranteed.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

We have to accept the fact that we will never see fully guaranteed contracts. The players and the NFLPA have accepted it.

That's why they meet in the middle. Where they can get a portion of that contract guaranteed..

And since we as fans don't necessarily get to see every little detail in a players contract, we have no way of knowing what they are owed.

All we here is what ESPN tells us. "Player A signed a 5 year deal with Team B worth 15 million". Thats all we get to see. Does that mean since the contract could be worth 15 million, that if the player is released he should get all 15?

We don't know how much of that 15 million is wrapped around incentives, or participation, or workout bonuses etc.

I agree with you in that common sense tells us that a contract is a contract is a contact and should be honored by both parties involved.

All I am saying is that a certain amount of a players contract should be guaranteed.

Is refusing to even negotiate an extension meeting in the middle though?

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Is refusing to even negotiate an extension meeting in the middle though?

Not at all. Jags are playing hardball. MJD sticking to his guns. We have all seen this before.

Hold out lasts throughout training camp and preseason. The two parties get together the day after the final preseason game and they reach a compromise of some sort. And I think a lot of it will be the Jags waiving a majority if not all of the fines MJD has incurred wince his holdout started.

Same story, different team, different player, different year.

And some player on a team will pull this next year as well. Mark that down. And the outcome will mostly likely be the same.

MJD saw that contract extension that Forte landed with the Bears this year. Forte gets something in the neighborhood of 17 M GUARANTEED. That is what MJD is looking at. He does not have that type of guarantee.