Cerrato's Not (Just) Incompetent - He's Oblivioius (Offensive Line / Dysfunctional Coaching Staff Related)

[SBXVII]

Another question I have been pondering......maybe I'm crazy.....but I think we all know there's different styles to how the O-line blocks. Proven by when Levi came to us he said he would have to re-learn a blocking scheme he learned in college and took him to the pro's, but he hadn't used since college.

Is there a possibility that Buges scheme is out dated, or possibly the cause of all the O-line injuries?

[SmootSmack]

What do we have to gain from keeping Campbell just for one more year to hold down the fort? Either fully commit to him long-term or make the switch now (now meaning end of the season). Sure, maybe Clausen or Bradford or whoever takes his lumps in 2010. But that's fine if it means our QB is a step ahead of the curve come 2011.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What do we have to gain from keeping Campbell just for one more year to hold down the fort? Either fully commit to him long-term or make the switch now (now meaning end of the season). Sure, maybe Clausen or Bradford or whoever takes his lumps in 2010. But that's fine if it means our QB is a step ahead of the curve come 2011.

I agree 100% with your logic in theory - but not when it comes to our situation in 2010.

If we draft a top QB in the draft next year, there's no way we should start him behind a line as bad as this one... it would just be too much to ask of a rookie QB. Besides, none of the top QBs in this draft impress me as being "NFL-ready." There's potential there, sure - but i wouldnt be confident investing a top 10 pick in any of them. My opinion may change as the draft approaches (it always does), but at this point, thats how i feel. Sanchez seemed more NFL-ready in college than any of these guys and look how he's playing in his rookie season.

Keeping Campbell for another year wouldnt do a thing for the franchise or Campbell in 2010 - it would just allow us to remain competitive while redshirting whatever QB we draft before he took over in 2011.

[53Fan]

If we don't get some studs on o-line I don't think it matters who the QB is. Retain JC and draft some linemen. IF JC doesn't play well next year, draft a QB in 2011 and the linemen will be in their second year. When is the "I don't mind losing for a couple of years if we're building our team to be consistently good for the future" going to happen?

[53Fan]

I think the FO believes Buges could make anyone a servicable o-linemen. Why waste draft picks on them? I would like to see the line he puts together with some really talented guys myself.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I think the FO believes Buges could make anyone a servicable o-linemen. Why waste draft picks on them? I would like to see the line he puts together with some really talented guys myself.

Perhaps, but that doesn't explain why they didn't get any last year in the draft. Everyone knew we had a glarring need on the O?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Perhaps, but that doesn't explain why they didn't get any last year in the draft. Everyone knew we had a glarring need on the O?

I agree. But they give Buges crap and expect him to turn it into gold. The result? Look at our line.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree. But they give Buges crap and expect him to turn it into gold. The result? Look at our line.

No doubt, but I don't think he should be absolved of this.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

No doubt, but I don't think he should be absolved of this.

I understand what you're saying Tramp. I just think Buges mindset is, no excuses, I'll make do with what I have. The FO knows Buges will give it his best shot but should be smart enough to know he doesn't have much to work with. Considering what he's had this year, it's amazing we're even close in any games. I'd hate to be JC playing behind these guys. Somehow he hasn't been killed yet and maybe some of that credit should go to Buges. Just a thought.

[SBXVII]

firstdown: I have heard Buges several times before this season and last season saying how strong we where along the O line. That leads me to believe that just maybe Buges could be part of the problem and Cerrato not persuing more lines players based of what Buges is telling him.

Please don't make any excuses up for Cerrato. Don't give him any amunition for DS to want to retain him one more year.

Trample: I could see parting ways with both of them.

As much as I have liked Buges in the past....I have to agree now. I think our O-line needs a make over with young healthy talented players with a whole different blocking scheme. Maybe the injury bug will go away.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

firstdown: I have heard Buges several times before this season and last season saying how strong we where along the O line. That leads me to believe that just maybe Buges could be part of the problem and Cerrato not persuing more lines players based of what Buges is telling him.

Please don't make any excuses up for Cerrato. Don't give him any amunition for DS to want to retain him one more year.

Trample: I could see parting ways with both of them.

As much as I have liked Buges in the past....I have to agree now. I think our O-line needs a make over with young healthy talented players with a whole different blocking scheme. Maybe the injury bug will go away.

I don't make excuses for people but I do feel that buges has some role in us not addressing our line problems.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I don't make excuses for people but I do feel that buges has some role in us not addressing our line problems.

If Ceratto was a good GM he would make his own decisions regardless of what his coaches tell him. Bugel is not a GM. Is Cerratto now the O-line coach?
You take your coaches player evaluations and you make your own assessment from that. Ceratto's eyes work don't they? I guess not, since he has to depend on Bugel for all of his O-line assessments.
We had just come off a 2008 season where our running game and O-line fell apart as the season wore on. Add to that our O-line is old and injury prone. That same line is now a year older (in 2009) and not getting any younger. Did he not think the same thing would happen again a year later? Which it did.

[FRPLG]

It isn't worth drafting a good QB if we're simply going to stick him behind a bad line. It's bad policy. Build a line first. We can start positive momentum and maybe even win games with a good line and a half average QB. We'll be back here again in 5 years if try to win with a bad line and a good QB. Done smartly we can rebuild our line in one year. ONE YEAR. Once that is in place we'd have a solid set of TEs and maybe one starting level WR out of the crew we currently have. Add a RB, one of the easiest spots to replace, especially with a good line, a good wr and even an average QB can score 21 a game with that. Try it the other way around and we're back to square one. Build from the line up please please please.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

It isn't worth drafting a good QB if we're simply going to stick him behind a bad line. It's bad policy. Build a line first. We can start positive momentum and maybe even win games with a good line and a half average QB. We'll be back here again in 5 years if try to win with a bad line and a good QB. Done smartly we can rebuild our line in one year. ONE YEAR. Once that is in place we'd have a solid set of TEs and maybe one starting level WR out of the crew we currently have. Add a RB, one of the easiest spots to replace, especially with a good line, a good wr and even an average QB can score 21 a game with that. Try it the other way around and we're back to square one. Build from the line up please please please.

Do we need to draft an OL in the first round though to build the line? Why can't we draft OL in the 2nd round, trade for a pick in the 3rd and draft another there (RB in the 4th), OL in the 5th round?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do we need to draft an OL in the first round though to build the line? Why can't we draft OL in the 2nd round, trade for a pick in the 3rd and draft another there (RB in the 4th), OL in the 5th round?

Yeah I think talking in such absolutes, as I have and others too, isn't very realistic. It's going to come down to making the best decisions we can given the situation. If we can land a starting T and G later in the draft and there is a stud QB there for us then yeah we do it.But it's probably more likely the the least risky route is to get a good T in 1 and go from there.