Ukraine mega thread

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL, did not call U a sheep(lol) .You don't mention trump , ......you just expound on his statements and ideas and policies.

My statement I made was how I've felt long before Trump ever ran for president.

Trump has absolutely no sway on my political opinions. If it sounds like I agree with him on something it's because I've always felt that way and he happens to share a similar opinion.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Nato, U.N., absolutely useless for us to be in. We pay all the money, our men and women do most of the dying, etc. The whole world takes advantage of us.

If we were fully energy independent, as we EASILY could be and should be, this would be a Europe problem and still should be. We give our debt to China and buy energy from Russia. We give our greatest enemies great leverage over us. I swear we're trying to lose. Weird stuff.

I guess I'm officially back to sharing political opinions. I made it 52 days without saying anything possibly argumentative. Just a little short of 365 days, but still about 45 days longer than I thought I would make it.

Russia is one of the world’s largest oil producers. According to the 2021 BP Statistical Review of World Energy, in 2020 Russia produced 10.1 million barrels per day (BPD) of crude oil and natural gas condensate. That was good for second place behind the U.S. at 11.3 million BPD. Saudi Arabia was third at 9.3 million BPD.

However, the U.S. also consumes far more oil (17.2 million BPD) than Russia (3.2 million BPD) or Saudi Arabia (3.5 million BPD). The net result is that the U.S. is a net importer of crude oil, while Russia and Saudi Arabia are major crude oil exporters.

But that leads to the question of how sanctions on Russia might impact the U.S. market. As of late 2021, the U.S. was importing 8.5 million BPD of crude oil from all countries. Canada was our top supplier, sending the U.S. 4.5 million BPD. (Having secure oil supplies from close allies highlights the importance of the Keystone XL Pipeline expansion). Mexico was second, at 700,000 BPD, and then Russia at 595,000 BPD. Saudi Arabia was our 4th largest supplier at 555,000 BPD.

Thus, Russia supplied 7% of U.S. crude oil imports in late 2021 – a significant number. Replacing that oil will put additional upward pressure on global oil prices, virtually assuring that oil will exceed $100/bbl if the situation further escalates.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier...h=36dee2d518c3

Seems like we need to invest in renewable energies and electric cars etc and get away from fossil fuels. We need to revisit the Keystone Pipeline.

We are the worlds No. 1 producer of oil and gas ... and we consume more than we make.

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We nor any member country of NATO pays money to NATO. Thats not how it works. I know Trump has repeated the inaccuracy a million times.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Russia is one of the world’s largest oil producers. According to the 2021 BP Statistical Review of World Energy, in 2020 Russia produced 10.1 million barrels per day (BPD) of crude oil and natural gas condensate. That was good for second place behind the U.S. at 11.3 million BPD. Saudi Arabia was third at 9.3 million BPD.

However, the U.S. also consumes far more oil (17.2 million BPD) than Russia (3.2 million BPD) or Saudi Arabia (3.5 million BPD). The net result is that the U.S. is a net importer of crude oil, while Russia and Saudi Arabia are major crude oil exporters.

But that leads to the question of how sanctions on Russia might impact the U.S. market. As of late 2021, the U.S. was importing 8.5 million BPD of crude oil from all countries. Canada was our top supplier, sending the U.S. 4.5 million BPD. (Having secure oil supplies from close allies highlights the importance of the Keystone XL Pipeline expansion). Mexico was second, at 700,000 BPD, and then Russia at 595,000 BPD. Saudi Arabia was our 4th largest supplier at 555,000 BPD.

Thus, Russia supplied 7% of U.S. crude oil imports in late 2021 – a significant number. Replacing that oil will put additional upward pressure on global oil prices, virtually assuring that oil will exceed $100/bbl if the situation further escalates.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier...h=36dee2d518c3

Seems like we need to invest in renewable energies and electric cars etc and get away from fossil fuels. We need to revisit the Keystone Pipeline.

We are the worlds No. 1 producer of oil and gas ... and we consume more than we make.

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We nor any member country of NATO pays money to NATO. Thats not how it works. I know Trump has repeated the inaccuracy a million times.

Russia provides 7% of our imported petroleum. That value to me at least seems to be in the roll of maintaining diplomatic ties and negotiations. Putting sanctions on the import would hurt them but not really impact our economy, but we know gas companies will take it upon themselves to raise the price regardless.

We should be investing in renewable and electric infrastructure but the cards are stacked against us with corporate blocking and lack of political will.

I do however disagree with Keystone. We have reneged over and over on tribal treaties, if we are going to say we are a morally superior country then we should treat our minority populations with decency and not continue to exploit them. I will acquiesce to Keystone if they decide to reroute it through the whitest communities in the midwest to contaminate their drinking water and spoil their unsacred land.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Russia is one of the world’s largest oil producers. According to the 2021 BP Statistical Review of World Energy, in 2020 Russia produced 10.1 million barrels per day (BPD) of crude oil and natural gas condensate. That was good for second place behind the U.S. at 11.3 million BPD. Saudi Arabia was third at 9.3 million BPD.

However, the U.S. also consumes far more oil (17.2 million BPD) than Russia (3.2 million BPD) or Saudi Arabia (3.5 million BPD). The net result is that the U.S. is a net importer of crude oil, while Russia and Saudi Arabia are major crude oil exporters.

But that leads to the question of how sanctions on Russia might impact the U.S. market. As of late 2021, the U.S. was importing 8.5 million BPD of crude oil from all countries. Canada was our top supplier, sending the U.S. 4.5 million BPD. (Having secure oil supplies from close allies highlights the importance of the Keystone XL Pipeline expansion). Mexico was second, at 700,000 BPD, and then Russia at 595,000 BPD. Saudi Arabia was our 4th largest supplier at 555,000 BPD.

Thus, Russia supplied 7% of U.S. crude oil imports in late 2021 – a significant number. Replacing that oil will put additional upward pressure on global oil prices, virtually assuring that oil will exceed $100/bbl if the situation further escalates.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier...h=36dee2d518c3

Seems like we need to invest in renewable energies and electric cars etc and get away from fossil fuels. We need to revisit the Keystone Pipeline.

We are the worlds No. 1 producer of oil and gas ... and we consume more than we make.

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We nor any member country of NATO pays money to NATO. Thats not how it works. I know Trump has repeated the inaccuracy a million times.

You highlight Russia is a massive oil producer, you got to question why that industry sector was omitted in our sanctions.

Biden energy policy has been a predictable disgraceful disaster. Keystone, to fracking bans, limiting permits.

Just remember inflation and energy prices were way up before this…no one is gonna act like this Russian war is the genesis of the problem. The problems were already happening as a direct result of Biden’s policy choices. He chose this path

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You highlight Russia is a massive oil producer, you got to question why that industry sector was omitted in our sanctions.

Biden energy policy has been a predictable disgraceful disaster. Keystone, to fracking bans, limiting permits.

Just remember inflation and energy prices were way up before this…no one is gonna act like this Russian war is the genesis of the problem. The problems were already happening as a direct result of Biden’s policy choices. He chose this path

chico , do you deny that Oil was going up under trump? That there was inflation under trump?

[Chico23231]

It’s begun

Sad day…praying for the Ukrainian people

[CRedskinsRule]

I know I know, Russia had Trump in their pocket and they could do whatever they wanted. Yet, here we are - in 2014 under Obama- Putin walked into Crimea, reneging on a treaty where Russia, US and Ukraine agreed on mutually. Now, after an interlude that shockingly coincides with Trump's presidency, we see Russia blatantly invading Ukraine. What will the response of the Warpath be, blah blah blah Trump sheep blah blah Ukraine not NATO blah blah Biden enforcing tough sanctions blah blah blah.

Sanctions are a joke against Putin, that is obvious. My sadness goes out to the Ukrainian people that trusted the modern day western Neville Chamberlains.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I know I know, Russia had Trump in their pocket and they could do whatever they wanted. Yet, here we are - in 2014 under Obama- Putin walked into Crimea, reneging on a treaty where Russia, US and Ukraine agreed on mutually. Now, after an interlude that shockingly coincides with Trump's presidency, we see Russia blatantly invading Ukraine. What will the response of the Warpath be, blah blah blah Trump sheep blah blah Ukraine not NATO blah blah Biden enforcing tough sanctions blah blah blah.

Sanctions are a joke against Putin, that is obvious. My sadness goes out to the Ukrainian people that trusted the modern day western Neville Chamberlains.

LOL, fuck that! Nice how you walk away from the fact that trump is still praising that dictator for invading a Country but you are blaming the rest of the World. JHC!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I know I know, Russia had Trump in their pocket and they could do whatever they wanted. Yet, here we are - in 2014 under Obama- Putin walked into Crimea, reneging on a treaty where Russia, US and Ukraine agreed on mutually. Now, after an interlude that shockingly coincides with Trump's presidency, we see Russia blatantly invading Ukraine. What will the response of the Warpath be, blah blah blah Trump sheep blah blah Ukraine not NATO blah blah Biden enforcing tough sanctions blah blah blah.

Sanctions are a joke against Putin, that is obvious. My sadness goes out to the Ukrainian people that trusted the modern day western Neville Chamberlains.

Syria with a side of threatening to weaken the Ukraine for political dirt anyone?

Trump now says the invasion of Ukraine is “genius”.
Putin didn’t invade Ukraine under Trump because he was pleased with Trump falling in line with him. Come on CRed?

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...tion-rcna17147

[punch it in]

Putin wants Ukraine, and he wants Trump back in office, because contrary to the lie that Trump was tough on Putin he was anything but.

If you are Putin and you want Trump in office for as long as possible…,do you invade Ukraine when he is in office? Absolutely not. Man the short sightedness from the right , mainly the hard trump right, is mind numbing.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Putin wants Ukraine, and he wants Trump back in office, because contrary to the lie that Trump was tough on Putin he was anything but.

If you are Putin and you want Trump in office for as long as possible…,do you invade Ukraine when he is in office? Absolutely not. Man the short sightedness from the right , mainly the hard trump right, is mind numbing.

Yes.

[SunnySide]

In my personal opinion .. this isnt about trump or obama or biden. This is about Putin.

No one, including those 3, would commit to US boots on Ukraine ground. Outside of that, its sanctions and thoughts and prayers. Unless you want the US and Russia to go to war, I dont think there was anything anyone could do to stop this from happening.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

In my personal opinion .. this isnt about trump or obama or biden. This is about Putin.

No one, including those 3, would commit to US boots on Ukraine ground. Outside of that, its sanctions and thoughts and prayers. Unless you want the US and Russia to go to war, I dont think there was anything anyone could do to stop this from happening.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

In my personal opinion .. this isnt about trump or obama or biden. This is about Putin.

No one, including those 3, would commit to US boots on Ukraine ground. Outside of that, its sanctions and thoughts and prayers. Unless you want the US and Russia to go to war, I dont think there was anything anyone could do to stop this from happening.

It is 100 percent about Putin. He is a paranoid secluded psychopath.

The conversation about why now, and why Trump calls it genius and says Putin is doing it because of a rigged election are like a sister conversation though.