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[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Honestly the Laverneus Coles first round pick exchange worked. So I have no problem trading a first round pick for an elite player. The way I look at it is weather or not you could draft a player at the spot your in and then then trade for the same player for an elite guy like Chad Johnson (Would anyone trade Limas Sweed for Chad Johnson?). In most cases (as it relates to the 21st pick) probably not, unless a Brady Quinn type fell to you at that spot.

Also a lot of you are fogetting that the best DE's and OL are found either at the top of the first round or in the second and third round. Guys like Strahan, Elvis, Jared Allen, Osi, Aaron Kampman, Jason Taylor, Justin Tuck,Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, Adewale Ogunleye, Derrick Burgess were all
picked after the first round.

With the OL the general feeling is get an elite LT at the top of the first round and the rest of the OL in the second, third and fourth rounds. Thats why guys who might be one of the top 10 players in the draft like Ryan Kalil end up in the bottom of the second round.

The question here is do we get away giving up just a first round pick or a first and third? However CJ will be a Redskin, at this point its only a matter of time.

You are forgetting that history has shown our current front office can not find DL like Osi and Strahan in the second round or any round. Nobody outside of Redskins fans know who Anthony Montgomery and Kedrik Golsten are. We have not drafted a good DL since 1997 Kenard Lang. That is a long time. It took Gibbs coming back for us to start drafting defensive players again. In the entire 2002 and 2003 drafts we took all offensive players except a 7th round DE. Snyderatto does not understand that defense wins championships.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I think we'll give up Moss and a 1st or 2nd round pick for him...

All of our depth at solid #2,3 receivers etc... it just makes sense.

Anybody have any idea about the contract implications to a deal like this?

Please tell me your kidding. Dumbest post ever. Yea why dont we throw in Samuels just for a bonus. Why would you want to unload moss?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

fitz just plays ball, after a td he just gives the ball to a ref and runs to the sideline. classy player

He's great but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be cheap

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He's great but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be cheap

Compared to CJ i would think he would be. And if Cincy want a first for CJ, I think id rather take Roy Williams which is available for a 2nd. He is more of a TO type reciever. Can play on the outside or in the slot. Breaks tackles and is a huge target.

[skinsfanzg18]

does anyone know when santana's contract expires???

i think him and chad would make a SICK combo.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Compared to CJ i would think he would be. And if Cincy want a first for CJ, I think id rather take Roy Williams which is available for a 2nd. He is more of a TO type reciever. Can play on the outside or in the slot. Breaks tackles and is a huge target.

Possibly, but isn't Fitz's base contract something like $16 million for 2008? Granted, CJ would be looking for a new deal but probably wouldn't get that much considering his age and current salary

Money aside, you really can't go wrong with any of them. I'd rather trade for one of them, even if it meant giving up our first, rather than drafting a WR in the first round. I'm just not sold on selecting WRs in the first round.

But let's say you sent the 1st and a player (Rocky?) to Cincy for CJ and a 4th (trust me, it could happen). Then you get CJ, you hope Lawrence Jackson falls to you in the 2nd round so you get your DE there (the biggest obstacle for Jackson could be the Bengals, but if they get our first round pick then they can get their DE there and Jackson can fall to us), 3rd and 4th rounds you go filling your CB and OL needs

Of course in a more ideal, yet unlikely world you ship a 3rd rounder to Detroit for Roy Williams so 1st round-Talib or Cason, 2nd-Jackson, 3rd-trade for Williams, use the back end of the draft for line help

[CobraKaiDojo]

We need real Redskins, not circus clowns looking to hit the lottery. I hope we just pass.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You are forgetting that history has shown our current front office can not find DL like Osi and Strahan in the second round or any round. Nobody outside of Redskins fans know who Anthony Montgomery and Kedrik Golsten are. We have not drafted a good DL since 1997 Kenard Lang. That is a long time. It took Gibbs coming back for us to start drafting defensive players again. In the entire 2002 and 2003 drafts we took all offensive players except a 7th round DE. Snyderatto does not understand that defense wins championships.

Lol, I can't believe that I'm hearing Defense wins championship from a guy whos SN is DefenseWins. I agree that defense wins championships but offense is important too and I think that Randy Moss and Wes Welker helped prove that (If they have a running game then theres no way the Giants win that game, but they don't so in the end we got to see the greatest upset in NFL history). Hopefully Snyderatto will draft a DL in the second and an OL the third. Either way I have a feeling that we can say goodbye to our first round pick. The only thing I'm hoping for is that we don't throw in the kitchen sink and give the Bengals a second or third. Of course this comment from a Bengals message board always gives me a good laugh

Originally Posted by GatorClaws

give me a 2nd plus Cooley and it's a done deal

[XXVI]

Yeah, how stupid. Cooley doesn't make it rain, he makes it friggin' hail! Plus, we need two Cooley caliber tight ends to run the WCO effectively. No way in hell Cooley EVER leaves Washington. Mark my words. Now... since that is out of the way... I changed my mind. Trade Moss and the third round pick for CJ. Draft a DE in the first, and go after something else in the second. Boom... elite reciver for a gimpy punt returner, and a third rounder that we wont need as much. Hopefully Carlos will come back, and learn how to cover, it's sad cause he's so athletic... but I'd say Jansen and Samuels are aging... depth for them would be nice. I don't ever wanna see Pucillo line up again. We need OL, and a good DE. Thats all I think. Maybe even a stud LB... cause we wont be seeing Rocky this year and Marcus isn't producing like he should.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by irish

I would prefer Moss but the problem with getting Moss is that the Skins are not enough of a consistent winner to keep him from starting to complain. CJ would also be good but like a previous post mentioned, he will not be happy when JC keeps missing him when he's open.

What I really wish is that the Skins could develop their own talent at cheaper prices rather than always overpaying for someone else's talent that just had a huge year.

That would require the ability to evaluate talent, which we do not have.

Just what we need another WR, how about O-linemen? Personally I think it's a joke to even consider bringing him in here. A self serving loudmouth is the last thing we need. Our WR's will be huge in this new system if Campbell can get them the ball, but if he can't find Moss or El, he ain't gonna find BIG TIME Chad Johnson either. Absolutely no reason to even be considering this move!

[Skinny Tee]

Why the hell do we always try to initiate trades when CJ is working hard to get out of Cinnci? Openly coveting their another teams player only increases the asking price for that player.

It's simple supply and demand and I pray that all this hype about CJ is Rosenhaus's way of getting attention for his client.


Trading for CJ is a dumb move that would only propagate the same mistakes we've already made in the past.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Possibly, but isn't Fitz's base contract something like $16 million for 2008? Granted, CJ would be looking for a new deal but probably wouldn't get that much considering his age and current salary

Money aside, you really can't go wrong with any of them. I'd rather trade for one of them, even if it meant giving up our first, rather than drafting a WR in the first round. I'm just not sold on selecting WRs in the first round.

But let's say you sent the 1st and a player (Rocky?) to Cincy for CJ and a 4th (trust me, it could happen). Then you get CJ, you hope Lawrence Jackson falls to you in the 2nd round so you get your DE there (the biggest obstacle for Jackson could be the Bengals, but if they get our first round pick then they can get their DE there and Jackson can fall to us), 3rd and 4th rounds you go filling your CB and OL needs

Of course in a more ideal, yet unlikely world you ship a 3rd rounder to Detroit for Roy Williams so 1st round-Talib or Cason, 2nd-Jackson, 3rd-trade for Williams, use the back end of the draft for line help

Have you heard anything of the reports that Rocky has a degenerative knee condition? I had heard this on Sirius the other day.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Have you heard anything of the reports that Rocky has a degenerative knee condition? I had heard this on Sirius the other day.

Heard that he DID have one, or that he possibly has one? Everything I've heard is that he'll be ready to start opening day. If not, does that make LB a greater need than DE? If we end up trading him and picks for CJ like some suggest, who do we bring in?

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

Heard that he DID have one, or that he possibly has one? Everything I've heard is that he'll be ready to start opening day. If not, does that make LB a greater need than DE? If we end up trading him and picks for CJ like some suggest, who do we bring in?

It was on one of their "two minute drill" reports and I believe the quote was to the tune of "Word out of Washington is that LB Rocky McIntosh has a degenerative knee condition." I don't know if it was discovered during his rehab or what...

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

It was on one of their "two minute drill" reports and I believe the quote was to the tune of "Word out of Washington is that LB Rocky McIntosh has a degenerative knee condition." I don't know if it was discovered during his rehab or what...

Pretty sure it's been known for quite a while, I think possibly even before drafting him.