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Re: North Korea: Threat or Blackmailer?
Not only is it the truth to the NK masses, but it is what the ruling elite want the truth to be. The articles are Onion like on the face, but when an 8 million person army is reading consistently about the US military losing in Afghanistan, their medical personnel making miracle cures, and the invincibility of the NK Army, you see a disturbing message being planted.
I continue to hope this is all about getting the nations of the world to accept them as a nuclear state, and the rest is all just elite bluster, but there is the very real fact that they can't feed their population, and that the South has both more fertile land, and better infrastructure that could be occupied quickly by a blitzkrieg attack. No one believes the north would really do that, but with US troops rotating out after a long deployment and the North ramping up for large scale military maneuvers, it makes me watch curiously. |
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Re: North Korea: Threat or Blackmailer?
coming home from Kaesong, packing for a little more than a day trip
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Serious question. At what point do you just pull an Israeli moment and level their nuclear facilities/launch sites? In this next article, they claim that their rockets are nuclear tipped. We have said we cannot accept a nuclear NK. One of these two things obviously cannot stand with the other as both being true.
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Nothing but fear mongering. NK doesn't have the ability to fire a nuclear weapon at this point. They are still in the testing phases.
Also, the people of NK may be blind and pumped full of indoctrination, but why do you think their leaders are? The leaders of NK know the reality of it. They've seen us slap other people around in the world via our military and KNOW without a doubt that a war is a losing battle. Now, that's not what they are telling their countrymen, but they know the truth. People in power want to stay in power, and they certainly will lose their power (and lives) by invading or attacking. To stay in power, they thump their chests, show their people how mighty they are and invigorate the populace once again. NK history at its finest.
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Remember Saddam's rhetoric before the Allied invasion? Same shit, different dictator.
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2nd, we didn't know the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki would work, but we dropped them anyway. If they want to test it out on Guam, I would rather knock it out on the launchers. 3rd, when a dictator is desparate, they do desparate things. NK is starving it's people beyond the point of the famous "let them eat cake" quote, and at the same time building a false luxury for the elite in Pyongyang. The US hasn't demonstrated great staying power in battles. Look at Iraq/Afghanistan, yeah we stayed a long time, but a little blood, and our population wants out. They may do the calculus (wrong I believe) that a blitz attack, plus a nuke launch successful or not will, will give them enough standing with China that we wouldn't dare do more than get back to the DMZ point, with them recognized as a nuclear power. The elite doesn't care if they sacrifice 2,000,000 NK's or 1,000,000 SK's, they want to maintain their power. 4. it could all be talk, but this is the longest, most sustained talk in decades, and they are giving themselves very little wiggle room to back out. The question remains, do you accept NK as a nuclear state, and if not, what steps, what price are you willing to pay in order to prevent it? |
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Wars are not started by people who are making rational decisions, but most often by people who either feel they cannot lose, or have no other choice but to. Sadly, I think the NK elite is composed by mainly those two beliefs. |
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The Foal Eagle joint exercises are over. We will see if it was all talk, if so the rhetoric should slow down. A simple question in my mind is did our sheepish exit embolden NK leadership, or did it show appropriate restraint and open the way for discussions. It could play out either way.
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Re: North Korea: Threat or Blackmailer?
They have been very quiet for a while.
I'm wondering if China told them to stfu.
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Re: North Korea: Threat or Blackmailer?
An interesting take on how NK did all this as an excuse to shutdown Kaesong:
Daily NK - Kim Issued 'Close Kaesong' Order The source kind of looks like a national enquirer type publication only about NK, but the concept is interesting. and Alvin, China pulled some serious military maneuvers on the NK border, that may have been more like STFU!!! |
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Kaesong is now void of SK's and how it happened sounds like an appeasement strategy to me:
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Finally, anyone who thinks that they have reduced their belligerent tone, is listening to our media/government not their press releases. ie from today's 5 oclock charlie report: Quote:
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brought the danger of a nuclear war to the Korean Peninsula
Thats quite amusing coming from the only guy holding nukes in that area.....
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China will not accept N. Korea as 'nuclear-armed state': official | YONHAP NEWS
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One more thing about people who say that they know they would lose. They continually present historical facts (accurate but skewed to their perspective) that show governments losing their power to acquiescing to US demands. IF they view the gap of their military capabilities and SK's capabilities widening to quickly at some point in the future (ie drones, upgraded jets, and missile defense), the military elite may push k-un to believe that now is the time to act, while China is still more on their side than not, while their numerical superiority lets them take the southern half quicker and their missiles are safe from missile defense systems.
Again, their economy is failing, their defense won't keep up, and unlike the USSR of the late 80's, they don't have the option to reunite the split country(germany) and still remain substantially intact. A cornered beast will lash out before it tamely lies down to die. |
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What the heck is "slapdash confrontation policy"?
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