Giants postgame

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

4:20 mark .... hurts to see. Big play TD right in front of him, where his eyes were looking with no pressure ... Heinike takes the short gain. Thats been a pattern.

there is so much good film breakdown content out there.

Yep, I just saw the video you posted in another thread. I like that video better than Warner's as the guy covered some positives by Heinicke too.

The bottom line is Heinicke still have a long way to go.

[MTK]

Turner is doing a pretty good job, I though so last year too. Not sure why some fans are so down on him.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by MTK

Turner is doing a pretty good job, I though so last year too. Not sure why some fans are so down on him.

He literally had us in shotgun what... 99% of the time the other night... thats great and all run the pistol but it cant be advantageous to have 1 base formation in a game ... can it?

Lol he just pisses me off sometimes with the play calls and really makes some bone head choices sometimes.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by MTK

Turner is doing a pretty good job, I though so last year too. Not sure why some fans are so down on him.

Bottom 3 offense last year.

Everything seems to be short stuff and team D nowadays will give you that short stuff bc they know on a 15 play drive youll get a flag or a sack. Hard to go long drives and sustain it.

Heinike threw over 60% of his passes before the first down marker vs NYG

Seeing all this film breakdown stuff .. Turner's calling some really good big pass play concepts that just arent hitting yet.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Bottom 3 offense last year.

Everything seems to be short stuff and team D nowadays will give you that short stuff bc they know on a 15 play drive youll get a flag or a sack. Hard to go long drives and sustain it.

Heinike threw over 60% of his passes before the first down marker vs NYG

Seeing all this film breakdown stuff .. Turner's calling some really good big pass play concepts that just arent hitting yet.

Bottom 3 offense last year with myriad of issues at QB.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Bottom 3 offense last year.

Everything seems to be short stuff and team D nowadays will give you that short stuff bc they know on a 15 play drive youll get a flag or a sack. Hard to go long drives and sustain it.

Heinike threw over 60% of his passes before the first down marker vs NYG

Seeing all this film breakdown stuff .. Turner's calling some really good big pass play concepts that just arent hitting yet.

This was bothering me right after the game. Now my view is let the play makers earn their money. I do hope the training wheels come off a bit more against Buffalo but against a defense like the Giants I am good with it,

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

This was bothering me right after the game. Now my view is let the play makers earn their money. I do hope the training wheels come off a bit more against Buffalo but against a defense like the Giants I am good with it,

I like that he takes what is there, he also takes the big shots when the game is on the line.

I think I said this before, but I feel like Heinicke is the anti-Kirk Cousins, so so stats during the meat of the game but crazy sharp/focused when the win is in the balance. Take the end of the NYG game for example, we are behind and need a shock he throws elite passes to McKissick and RSJ, but then we have the lead and he was goes into cruise control and made a mistake. He gets it back, and leads a crisp efficient 2 minute drill for a shot to win.



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[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by MTK

Turner is doing a pretty good job, I though so last year too. Not sure why some fans are so down on him.

I'm down on him because he is ultimately responsible for the effectiveness of this offense. I get that he has had a number of different QBs under center over the last 18 games, but you don't get to be the OC of an offense that consistently sits at the bottom-half of the league in pretty much every statistical category, and get a pass.

From my perspective, it feels like he has his moments, but then for no apparent reason he also seems to get away from what works. I don't know if he is trying to be too creative, or if that is on the QBs' execution. The most recent example for me is the play call that ended up in an interception towards the end of the Giants game. That was D.U.M.B. Hand the ball to your running back who was averaging over 5 yards per carry.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm down on him because he is ultimately responsible for the effectiveness of this offense. I get that he has had a number of different QBs under center over the last 18 games, but you don't get to be the OC of an offense that consistently sits at the bottom-half of the league in pretty much every statistical category, and get a pass.

From my perspective, it feels like he has his moments, but then for no apparent reason he also seems to get away from what works. I don't know if he is trying to be too creative, or if that is on the QBs' execution. The most recent example for me is the play call that ended up in an interception towards the end of the Giants game. That was D.U.M.B. Hand the ball to your running back who was averaging over 5 yards per carry.

Hard to argue with Heinicke's production in this offense. It's not a bottom of the league offense anytime he's been in there.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Turner is doing a pretty good job, I though so last year too. Not sure why some fans are so down on him.

1 opening drive score out of 19 games

A slow start every game.

Those are my big gripes. I think once he gets into a game he sees the defense real well and adjusts, but the offense's slow starts are simply offensive.

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[sdskinsfan2001]

I really wish the NFL could broadcasts games live in All-22. Without that or watching it after, even the smartest warpather is speculating/guessing a lot of what we're seeing, especially on pass plays.

[Chief X_Phackter]

True, Heinicke has done pretty well when in there, but that's only 2 full and 2 partial games out of the last 19. I don't know if he is doing well because of Scott Turner's game plan or in spite of it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

True, Heinicke has done pretty well when in there, but that's only 2 full and 2 partial games out of the last 19. I don't know if he is doing well because of Scott Turner's game plan or in spite of it.

According to the tape he should be doing even better.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by MTK

According to the tape he should be doing even better.

Yeah, that's to be expected after only two starts in his NFL career. I'll give him a big pass for not seeing everything at this point.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Yeah, that's to be expected after only two starts in his NFL career. I'll give him a big pass for not seeing everything at this point.

+1

If he keeps the job and runs with it, hopefully he's seeing the field better by the end of the season. Just needs experience - and to not get injured.