Taylor Effing Heinicke

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Scott Turner's offense isn't about arm strength, it's based around timing. The QBs need to have quick decisions. Also Arm strength is the most overrated aspect of a QB... Look at a guy like Burrow who can be just as deadly as Josh Allen as a passer. Now I will agree that TH has a below AVG NFL Arm so yes that is a problem and is why he was undrafted

I agree with this bc last year our offense was quick short passes as an extension of the run game ... but I thought maybe that was perhaps him just adjusting and dialing down his playbook bc of personnel (Alex Smith/Allen).

This year I think we made additions to try and get players to fit more of what he wanted .. seemed like going vertical/stretching field/making defense have to defend entire field = what the FO focused on adding this year.

Now w the injury to Fitz we cant do what we want to do (who knows if Fitz wouldve worked out anyway) .. and our figuring out how to harmonize this offense with Taylor Heinike. He doesnt seem to make quick decisions but he does have some scramble ability and ability to hit a seam.

Year 2 and I dont think Scott Turner is getting to run the playbook he wants to.

Thats life in the NFL.

Adapt.

Taylor Heinke isnt Kyle Allen.
Taylor Heinike isnt Fitz.

Hes like something in between ... making his 4th career start.

[MTK]

Most glaring issue this week was his accuracy, or lack thereof. Missed too many wide open guys. And when he hesitates, he simply doesn't have the arm strength to make up for it.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Most glaring issue this week was his accuracy, or lack thereof. Missed too many wide open guys. And when he hesitates, he simply doesn't have the arm strength to make up for it.

Definitely accuracy issues but I think he hesitates like you said and than when he commits it is still hesitation as opposed to arm strength. We have seen him make throws off his back foot and across the field running the other way. I dont feel like arm strength is the issue as much as confidence that he can make the throw in the first place. But at that point either throw it away or slide and live another day. The worst thing u can do is hesitate and than commit late.
Like Okie said - quick decisions. Not stalled ones.
That is confidence / fear of turning it over.

[CRedskinsRule]

5 games.

With sometimes shifty play calling.

And some shitty throws.

One healthy main weapon and the right side of his OL injured.

Still 5 games.

Many bigger issues then Heinicke.

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[irish]

The only upside of Heinicke getting all this playing time is finding out once and for all that he doesn't have what it takes.

[MTK]

Definitely bigger issues but QB will also be under the microscope fair or not. If we're going to praise him when he plays well it's only fair game to critique him when he doesn't.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

Definitely bigger issues but QB will also be under the microscope fair or not. If we're going to praise him when he plays well it's only fair game to critique him when he doesn't.

Yeah for the most part he had good protection on Sunday and was just awful.. He's a better option than Allen though, simply because he's a gunslinger and allen is checkdown charlie. Losing Logan Thomas was a big hit

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah for the most part he had good protection on Sunday and was just awful.. He's a better option than Allen though, simply because he's a gunslinger and allen is checkdown charlie. Losing Logan Thomas was a big hit

Checkdown Charlie would be ok with me as long as he's not checking it down to the opponent. This defense isn't good enough to give extra possessions to the other team.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Checkdown Charlie would be ok with me as long as he's not checking it down to the opponent. This defense isn't good enough to give extra possessions to the other team.

Its a double edged sword with Heineke or Fitz... Both will throw picks but they will also throw TD's downfield..

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Its a double edged sword with Heineke or Fitz... Both will throw picks but they will also throw TD's downfield..

The two sides of the double edged sword right now are the offense and the defense.

They are both responsible for where this team is. It can be argued that one is more responsible than the other, or that there have been some bright spots on both sides, but the truth is, neither is very good so far.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Checkdown Charlie would be ok with me as long as he's not checking it down to the opponent. This defense isn't good enough to give extra possessions to the other team.

The defense was supposed to be, and has the talent to be. Whatever the reason it isn't, is the biggest issue right now.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Definitely bigger issues but QB will also be under the microscope fair or not. If we're going to praise him when he plays well it's only fair game to critique him when he doesn't.

I agree on both, just seems like a ton of piling on for a guy with 5 nfl starts, who is 2-3 as a starter, and led the team to more consistent scoring then we have seen in 5 years.

Personally I would have liked them jumping up for Mac jones, and they definitely should have drafted a guy in the 3rd, but for this season as it is, Heinicke has not been the biggest failure of this staff.

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[SunnySide]

Im trying to mute my criticism of him but I think he is frustrating Turner.

- He doesnt see the field well. Theres a video of his eyes circulating on the net as an example of how "quickly" he goes through his progressions. But I dont see it as a QB going through his progressions, more like a young inexperienced QB not knowing what he is seeing and panicing.

Can you call it going through progressions if the end result is he doesnt actually throw the ball and tucks/scrambles?

- he doesnt throw with anticipation. rarely do we see him releasing the ball before a receiver comes out of their break. Receivers are running routes to be timed and in rythm with how many steps the QB takes in his drop back. 3 step = quick short route, 5 or 7 steps = longer routes. Rarely does he release the ball on time in rythm with the play call.

- he creates the need to scramble. Like above, he holds the ball bc he doesnt get the ball out on time and instead has to see if his receiver is open open and won the route before he throws it.

Turner might as well not even call plays and just tell Heinike to scramble around and see if a receiver can run backyard routes to get open. Everything on this offense is "off schedule" plays. Double edge sword.

- he chooses bad "down and distance" moments to go YOLO. It was a 30-22 score, 1 possession game vs Atlanta, when he chucked a 50/50 ball to McLaurin for the miraculous TD.

It was 1st and 10 from Atlanta's 17 yard line with 6 mins left.

You dont throw up 50/50 balls in the red zone on a 1 possession game ON 1st DOWN in the 4th quarter.

Saints game, tied 13-13, its 2nd and 7 and we have the ball on Saints 16 yard line. You dont throw a 50/50 ball to Samuel on 2nd and 7 in the red zone.

Saints game, score is 20-16 Saints ... we are on our 2 yard line ... you dont stare down then force a throw to Deandre Carter who is blanketed. You dont throw 50/50 balls from your 2 yard line in a 4 point game.

- Defenses, like the Bills, should start playing single high safety and just defend the first 20 yards from the LOS. Things are going to get harder for him. he cant push the ball down field outside the numbers.

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With all that said ... im trying to embrace the positives he does bring. He competes and cares. He can scramble and make plays with his legs.

He can see and throw the easier "training wheel" routes like crosses, slants, digs. Seams and post routes are his best medium to long throw he seems to see and throw okay.

[skinsfaninok]

The offense has been solid but it has also scored some garbage time points as well like the bills game

[MTK]

The D has been fucking atrocious. The offense has been more than serviceable.