Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Because RGIII is a run first QB right?

He runs a lot

[biffle]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

He runs a lot

I guess that settles that. I thought his preposterously good passing stats and skills meant something, myself.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

He does? He's a pocket passer with the ability to scramble and has Michael Vick type speed. Cam Newton runs a lot, Early Michael Vick runs a lot. RGIII doesn't play like either one of them really. Since when is being able to evade pressure a knock. We went through a similar thing with Brandon Banks. Too small, what if someone gets a direct hit on him he'll get killed, what if I rode a bike down the side of the Sears tower? What if a dog gave birth to a cat. At 6'2" 220+ lbs RGIII isn't 5'11" 190 like Vick. I don't see him running as much as you think although his ability to run can't be seen as a negative.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

He does? He's a pocket passer with the ability to scramble and has Michael Vick type speed. Cam Newton runs a lot, Early Michael Vick runs a lot. RGIII doesn't play like either one of them really. Since when is being able to evade pressure a knock.

While I think RGIII is leap years above Cam and Vick in terms of where they were as a prospect, he does still run a bit. He averaged 13 attempts per game but only had a paltry 3.9 average. However, he put up over 4,200 yard passing in 13 games as well. That's incredible. Were they allowed to continue playing during halftime or something?...lol


I love the kid though. He's smart (best part I like), he's charismatic, he's athletic, he's accurate, he's got arm strength.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by biffle

I guess that settles that. I thought his preposterously good passing stats and skills meant something, myself.

LOL. Nope. He runs a lot.

[skinsfaninok]

RG3 is a great athlete and I'd love to have him BUT not ahead of P.Manning.. And yes he can pass but he also played against very bad defenses and had an outstanding WR to throw to. Some seem to think he can make a CAM NEWTON impact from day 1 and I just don't see it sorry.

I went to the Baylor game last season and I was crazy impressed with him but again in the NFL you have to make all the throws and many of his are always just the deep ball

[bertoskins2]

Get peyton manning, trade down to get 2 solid linemen to protect him, get the next tom brady on the later rounds. win superbowl as early as next year and save Mike shanahans Job.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by bertoskins2

get peyton manning, trade down to get 2 solid linemen to protect him, get the next tom brady on the later rounds. Win superbowl as early as next year and save mike shanahans job.

brilliant!

[mooby]

Originally Posted by bertoskins2

Get peyton manning, trade down to get 2 solid linemen to protect him, get the next tom brady on the later rounds. win superbowl as early as next year and save Mike shanahans Job.

And then sit back and pop the bubbly! Why haven't we thought of this before?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Trading up and drafting RG3 is a wiser move than signing Manning. With Manning, you would have to give not only full control of the offense, but tweak the offense and mix things in with the playbook he used in Indy and incorporate those plays in conjunction to Mike Shanahan's plays. Also, Kyle Shanahan while being the offensive coordinator would still have that role, but Manning would be calling his own plays in the huddle.

Then there's the factor that not one free agent signing or trade has done Washington any good when it comes to the QB position. Brad Johnson, Mark Brunell, Todd Collins, and Donovan McNabb only took the Redskins so far. That would tell anyone that you can't win playoff games and Super Bowls with QBs from other teams. In today's National Football League, you have to follow the formula of other teams and draft your own QB in the first round. There those QBs who were selected in the first round of the draft who guide their teams to the playoffs year in and year out. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Big Ben, Aaron Rogers, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, a few others were first round draft choices. The only exception is Jay Cutler, who in 2010 took the Bears to the NFC title game but he wasn't drafted by them.

The Redskins must duplicate the usual formula in this era of pro football. While signing yet another free agent quarterback would make me roll my eyes and frown, taking either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III would put a huge smile on my face. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan must trade up even if it includes giving up next year's first rounder in addition to this year's to land the quarterback that the Redskins need.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Trading up and drafting RG3 is a wiser move than signing Manning. With Manning, you would have to give not only full control of the offense, but tweak the offense and mix things in with the playbook he used in Indy and incorporate those plays in conjunction to Mike Shanahan's plays. Also, Kyle Shanahan while being the offensive coordinator would still have that role, but Manning would be calling his own plays in the huddle.

Then there's the factor that not one free agent signing or trade has done Washington any good when it comes to the QB position. Brad Johnson, Mark Brunell, Todd Collins, and Donovan McNabb only took the Redskins so far. That would tell anyone that you can't win playoff games and Super Bowls with QBs from other teams. In today's National Football League, you have to follow the formula of other teams and draft your own QB in the first round. There those QBs who were selected in the first round of the draft who guide their teams to the playoffs year in and year out. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Big Ben, Aaron Rogers, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, a few others were first round draft choices. The only exception is Jay Cutler, who in 2010 took the Bears to the NFC title game but he wasn't drafted by them.

The Redskins must duplicate the usual formula in this era of pro football. While signing yet another free agent quarterback would make me roll my eyes and frown, taking either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III would put a huge smile on my face. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan must trade up even if it includes giving up next year's first rounder in addition to this year's to land the quarterback that the Redskins need.

So winning 10 plus games and possible playoff run isn't worth that huh?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So winning 10 plus games and possible playoff run isn't worth that huh?

Manning is coming off a neck surgery that sidelined him for all of the 2011 season. He wouldn't have the level of QB protection in Washington or the elite level of receivers that he had in Indianapolis. While Manning offers a high reward, he also offers a very high risk. One helmet to helmet hit could injure his neck again.

And there's no guarantee that he'll win ten games for the Redskins. Hankerson, Moss, Gaffney, and F. Davis aren't on par with the level of the receiving corps that Peyton Manning had in Indianapolis.

And then there's the potential with a power struggle. Being a 4 time NFL MVP, Manning will want to call his own plays like he's been doing. Will Mike Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan put their egos aside and let Manning do things he does best? Or will they try and micro manage Manning and make him a Shanahan robot like they tried to do with McNabb?


Peyton is on the decline. While he'll still be effective, he so professional and so good that he doesn't fit the Shanahan pedigree for a QB. Manning would be slow rolling out to his left or to his right.

It's better to let the idea of signing Manning die. We need to draft our QB in the 1st round of the draft like Baltimore, Atlanta, Pittsburgh, New York Giants, New York Jets, and San Francisco did.

Also, Peyton Manning would only offer a short term solution. He's 35-36 years of age, and he's not getting any younger. After the Pop Warner level of quarterback play we witnessed last season with John Beck and Rex Grossman, Allen and Shanahan would want a long term solution. RG3 is that long term solution not because he's dynamic and athletic, but because he's 22 years old with greatness awaiting him at the next level.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The Redskins must duplicate the usual formula in this era of pro football. While signing yet another free agent quarterback would make me roll my eyes and frown, taking either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III would put a huge smile on my face. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan must trade up even if it includes giving up next year's first rounder in addition to this year's to land the quarterback that the Redskins need.

Not waisting more then 1 draft pick on said player would put the big smile on my face if we could land one of these, but it's doubtfull. So trading back, continueing with last years fabulous draft by trading back to aquire more picks in order to not only get valuable pieces but to help build up our back up pool.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Not waisting more then 1 draft pick on said player would put the big smile on my face if we could land one of these, but it's doubtfull. So trading back, continueing with last years fabulous draft by trading back to aquire more picks in order to not only get valuable pieces but to help build up our back up pool.

Stock piling draft picks while not a bad idea, still won't cure the Redskins most pressing need. Quarterback is the most pressing need. I disagree that it's doubtful that the Redskins can get Luck or RG3. I will admit, Luck may be out of reach. But Rg3 isn't. For one Mike Shanahan and Rams coach Jeff Fisher go back to their days with the 49ers. So, they know each other well. If Mike Shanahan is offering the Redskins 6th pick in the draft in addition to a Redskins 1st round selection in 2013, then they can agree to a trade in order for Washington to move up to 2nd in the draft. The Rams can more than likely still come away with Justin Blackmon or Matt Khali at the 6th pick. And in exchange, the Redskins can come away with RG3 with the second pick.

Back in 2004, the Giants offered San Diego a boat load of draft selections to land Eli Manning. After leading the Giants to two super Bowls, I'd say that decision to trade up was a good one for the G-men.

I think Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan know that they have quite a problem at quarterback. Both of them are great football men. I'm sure they know what important moves they must make in order to better the Redskins.

[biffle]

From KC Joyner:

In his 2010 Heisman Trophy-winning campaign with the Auburn Tigers, Newton averaged 9.3 yards per attempt (YPA) in games against opponents from BCS conferences. He also tallied a 12.9 vertical YPA (vertical defined as passes thrown 11 or more yards downfield) and a 15.5 stretch vertical YPA (aerials thrown 20 or more yards).

All of those are superb totals, but contrast them with the 2011 totals posted by Griffin in games against opponents from BCS conferences: 10.7 overall YPA (tops in the FBS), 16.0 vertical YPA and 23.0 stretch vertical YPA. Each of Griffin's marks is appreciably better than Newton's. While Griffin may not have the shiftiness Newton possesses, he is a terrific scrambler in his own right with elite speed that defenses must respect.

One of the likely reasons for the statistical edge is that the Baylor Bears' offense had more pro-style tendencies than the run-heavy spread offense Newton played in at Auburn. That allowed Griffin to attack defenses in a wider variety of ways than Newton was able to and should help reduce his pro transition time.

Not bad for a running QB.