Updated Title: 8th Circuit Court Grants Stay, Lockout Reinstated

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If the redskins were the only team undergoing a lock out I would agree with you, but all 32 NFL teams are going through the same lockout and will experience a similar impact. There are a number of teams with new coaching staffs and they are at the biggest disadvantage. Yeah we've got 12 rookies but only 2 or 3 of them are likely to contribute immediately out of a 53 man roster so the impact there is minimal.

I'm a redskins fan but im a football fan first. I neleive a lifted lockout would ultimately result In an NFL where there is no draft and 5 percent of the players get 95 percent of the money. Ticket prices will increase out of control an the sport itself will suffer greatly as marquee teams collect all the top college talent. All the things we love about the game--- and the redskins--- would be greatly diminished. Were already neck deep in this. A little mre won't kill anyone

Fair points. I do believe though that many teams will have crappy seasons. Teams with high prized drafted rookies will have a bad start and teams with new coaching will also get off to a poor startsdue to lack of preparation (see our terrible 3-4 defense performance last year). I still see it as owners willing to sacrifice a season, even if a deal gets done, for their benefit. The question is...can the current NFL cope with a crappy and maybe shortened season? Remember that the last time this happened the NFL was very different (I.e. no free agency, etc.)

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[sportscurmudgeon]

The player-led workouts have received press attention. What we will know later on - - assuming this lockout continues at least through mid-June - - is just how hard the players are pushing themselves without coaches overseeing the workouts.

I suspect there will be an epidemic of pulled hamstrings early in the season as guys who did not work as hard as they should have go through an abbreviated exhibition season and training camp.

I suspect that rookies will do more than expected because their youth and "low-mileage-bodies" will give them a physical edge later in the season.

I suspect that rookie QBs will be VERY confused.

I suspect that there will be a lot of teams who will be very unhappy with some of the Free Agents they sign when they see how far from peak condition those players have allowed themselves to get.

The 2011 season will probably not be a pretty one - - just as these negotiations and legal wranglings have not been pretty.

BTW the appeals court will hear arguments on the case on 3 June. That is a Friday. Unless the lawyers for one side in the case totally sh*t the bed, it is unlikely that the court will offer its decision before the end of the following week (10 June). Therefore, even if that court proceeding is the end of the legal wrangling - - and I seriously doubt that it will be - - the lockout will probably go on until at least mid-June.

If the owners win there - - or if there is an appeal by whomever loses to have the case reheard by the 8th Circuit Court sitting en banc - - the lockout will probably be in place through late-July/mid-August.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

There is a huge disconnect between what the players themselves ask for and what demaurice smith and the Nflpa's lawyers are asking for... Additionally, although you say the players are just asking for what they have now, you ignore the fact that that, by default, means the owners take less. Costs go up and the owners do not want to pass that expense on to the fans in the form of higher ticket prices. The players on the other hand have no qualms about passing on expenses to the fans as they've insisted that only revenues be shared and not expenses.

The players are 100% in the wrong and I hope, for the sake of the fans, and the game, that both sides resume talks ASAP. If the players elected president were willing to negotiate in good faith, the sport wouldn't be in this mess

Are these the same owners that ask tax payers to fund a large portion of their new stadiums? I don't get how someone can be that 100% for the owners. I'm not saying the players argument is flawless but like I said the lockout is affecting a lot of people and not just the players. Yet the owners seem content on keping the lockout going. Maybe u'll get ur wish and the players fold to the owners demands, since they have more to lose that the owners (not to mention the league and team employees).

Regardless let's get ready for a shitty season...if it happens at all.

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[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Are these the same owners that ask tax payers to fund a large portion of their new stadiums? I don't get how someone can be that 100% for the owners. I'm not saying the players argument is flawless but like I said the lockout is affecting a lot of people and not just the players. Yet the owners seem content on keping the lockout going. Maybe u'll get ur wish and the players fold to the owners demands, since they have more to lose that the owners (not to mention the league and team employees).

Regardless let's get ready for a shitty season...if it happens at all.

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If the season doesn't not happen at all next years draft how do they determine the draft order?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

If the season doesn't not happen at all next years draft how do they determine the draft order?

Well if they get to the point of cancelling a season the next year's draft would be in serious jeopardy as well

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well if they get to the point of cancelling a season the next year's draft would be in serious jeopardy as well

This is what I get out of it to or what I've heard said mostly.


Hypothetical here: Imagine if they kept the same draft order next year even if the year was cancelled. It would also mean the Panthers would chose another QB with their first pick of the draft in all three years...lol

Clausen
Newton
Luck

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

If the season doesn't not happen at all next years draft how do they determine the draft order?

If the NFLPA* wins this mess there will never be a draft again, atleast not without some ridiculous concessions from the owners.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

If the season doesn't not happen at all next years draft how do they determine the draft order?

NHL might be the best reference.

Resolution
The loss of the 2004–05 season meant that there were no results on which to base the order of the 2005 entry draft. The league settled on a lottery system in which all teams had a weighted chance at the first pick, expected to be Sidney Crosby.

The lottery was tilted so teams with fewer playoff appearances over the last three seasons and fewer number one overall picks over the last four seasons had a better chance of landing higher picks. The complete order was determined by the lottery, and the 2005 draft was conducted in a "snake" style, meaning in even rounds, the draft order was reversed. This system was an attempt to compromise between those who felt all teams should have had an equal chance at the first pick and those who felt only the weaker teams should have been in the running.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

If the season doesn't not happen at all next years draft how do they determine the draft order?

It would be fair to do it reverse alphabetically by city.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Lotus

It would be fair to do it reverse alphabetically by city.

Sound logic!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

It would be fair to do it reverse alphabetically by city.

I can see the headline now. "Redskins awarded first pick after lottery. Luck decides to stay for final year (Luck would be a Redshirt Senior in 2012)."

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

It would be fair to do it reverse alphabetically by city.

No one really knows what would happen to the 2012 draft if there is not a 2011-12 season. The owners would have to agree on some process.

I've seen nothing from the NFL about the issue, since they're more concerned about getting a CBA done, but various scenarios have been proposed by sports media and talking heads.

One was to average the teams won/loss records for the past 3 years and use that to order the draft. Another was to have a lottery system, similar to the NBA, with the weaker teams having better "fudge factors."

Hopefully, the 2011 season will happen and the 2012 draft order will be determined as usual.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

If the season doesn't not happen at all next years draft how do they determine the draft order?

I believe the plan is some sort of weighted lottery system, similar to what NHL did

[SBXVII]

Jared Allen made a good point about Rookies and Jewelry, but I think he failed on the Commissioner issue.

Jared Allen rips rookies who waste money on jewelry | ProFootballTalk

And he said he was also bothered by the mere fact that players were embracing NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell on stage at Radio City Music Hall, noting that those players were hugging the man who is leading the lockout that’s preventing them from signing the lucrative rookie contracts they want.

Really, Roger Goodell is the one heading this whole thing up? It was my understanding that he is simply representing the owners. I thought it was the owners who chose to lockout not Roger, and I thought it was the owners as well as players who agreed there should be a Rookie wage?

Wait, maybe it's me who's at fault. I want to see a Rookie wage also so perhaps I'm the one who is spear heading this whole thing.

[MTK]

What do you really expect from a mullet-head?