Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Dude,Really?? A man sayin somethin on tv is nowhere near the same as game clips of your wonderboy checkindown on 3rd downs when we needed a play to sustain a drive

It was words so that was his OPINION. i hope you guys arent lawyers.

Here's a rule of thumb:

If you can count on one hand the number of video evidences that a commentator uses to support a trend, you HAVE to be skeptical of the validity of the trend. Have to.

Because it's insufficient proof, you are essentially saying "I'm deferring to Wilcots on this one" That's fine. That's an argument. It's not a very strong argument, and you aren't going to be able to convince anyone else that what they are seeing is wrong, but it's something.

Which is why compared to irish and nflnick, you are the anti-Campbell MVP of this thread (44Deezel got disqualified for typing coherently). Don't let it go to your head. Calvin Johnson was MVP of the Lions this year.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Dude,Really?? A man sayin somethin on tv is nowhere near the same as game clips of your wonderboy checkindown on 3rd downs when we needed a play to sustain a drive

It was words so that was his OPINION. i hope you guys arent lawyers.

And, in your clip, Wilcots was what? Oh yeah, he was "a man saying something on tv"!

[SmootSmack]

This thread is kinda lame without Buchanon and Nick

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This thread is kinda lame without Buchanon and Nick

I hope these dudes don't live anywhere near Jason Campbell. I'd fear for his safety.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This thread is kinda lame without Buchanon and Nick

I guess the parties over. It was fun while it lasted.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This thread is kinda lame without Buchanon and Nick

Wait I got this:

We shouldn't have let Ramsey go. It was typical shortsightedness on the part of the front office.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Wait I got this:

We shouldn't have let Ramsey go. It was typical shortsightedness on the part of the front office.

We're still paying for it till this day. Dammit! Check the video, someone said he was good!

[Ruhskins]

It's all in the video!!!

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

who.NFL Videos: Can Campbell get it done?

here it is AGAIN..

LOL.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It's all in the video!!!



LOL.

Wow. I am just getting to this video. Those 3rd down stats are astonishingly bad. I've seen some of the posts rationalizing this analysis, but the video clearly points out flaws in JC's game. Receivers don't need to be all-world to be "open" (a relative term in the NFL), particularly against zone defenses. He clearly has time to throw and the receivers are clearly in a position to make a play. Down 16 points in the 4th quarter and still dinking and dunking is inexcusable. Maybe Gibbs ruined him by making him petrified of turnovers.

I think JC's got all the ability to be a good NFL QB. He just needs to take more chances and stop worrying about making mistakes. Hell, the plays he missed aren't even risky. They're very run of the mill.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Wow. I am just getting to this video. Those 3rd down stats are astonishingly bad. I've seen some of the posts rationalizing this analysis, but the video clearly points out flaws in JC's game. Receivers don't need to be all-world to be "open" (a relative term in the NFL), particularly against zone defenses. He clearly has time to throw and the receivers are clearly in a position to make a play. Down 16 points in the 4th quarter and still dinking and dunking is inexcusable. Maybe Gibbs ruined him by making him petrified of turnovers.

Surely, you are smart enough to see the bias in the video.

The stats are unbiased, they show the ineffectiveness of our passing game on third down. Unfortunately for you, Campbell does in fact have to rely on his teammates, and realistically shares only a small part of the blame.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Surely, you are smart enough to see the bias in the video.

The stats are unbiased, they show the ineffectiveness of our passing game on third down. Unfortunately for you, Campbell does in fact have to rely on his teammates, and realistically shares only a small part of the blame.

I'm really not. I dumb I'm not convinced of anything, so I'll take the wimpy way out and say I have no strong opinion about what's going to happen with Campbell next year. I hope he has a great season, but wouldn't be surprised if his play is mediocre, and he becomes a back-up somewhere for the rest of his career. There are a lot of good QBs riding the pine in the NFL. It's hard to be a bonafied, career-long starter, and it only gets harder with age. Just ask the likes of Brad Johnson and Jeff Garcia.

[53Fan]

At the beginning of last year JC was accused of locking on to receivers so he was told to quickly go through his progressions and check down. Maybe he did it too much. Maybe he didn't have time to wait. Either way, I expect he'll be better this year.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

At the beginning of last year JC was accused of locking on to receivers so he was told to quickly go through his progressions and check down. Maybe he did it too much. Maybe he didn't have time to wait. Either way, I expect he'll be better this year.

Absolutely. Also, JC two years ago was a turnover machine. Perhaps Zorn's plan was:
1. learn to be careful with the football, then
2. once we've learned ball safety, open it up

In which case JC, by checking down last year, was following his coaching regarding point 1. Now we are on to point 2. Maybe.

I find it hard to believe that JC would have checked down so much if some coach somewhere wasn't leading him to think that it was a good idea, for whatever reason.

[GTripp0012]

But, why don't we actually go a step further, and break down Wilcots' breakdown.

Play 1

Campbell faces a 5 man overload rush against 6 man protection. The Redskins have the play picked up. Campbell's first read is open, so he goes to him, completing the pass and Moss is tackled short of the first down. The video shows that Moss was the correct read. Wilcots suggested that the game situation dictated that Campbell should have held the ball the extra second, and try to thread it into Randle El who was a yard short of the marker on 3 and 13.

Wilcots does not tell you that the Redskins were going to, and did go for it on fourth down. (This would hurt his argument) It's not like this is important or anything. Because getting 7 yards when you need to get 13 in two plays is sooooo useless.

For the record, Campbell's pass at the first down marker on 4th down was broken up. Randle El fell down.

Play 2

Redskins protect only 5 against a 4 man rush. Samuels is clearly beaten off the snap, and Campbell has pressure immediately.

Thrash is on a clear out route at the top of the screen. The corner turns him loose into cover two and the safety doesn't go over.

This looks terrible because Wilcots puts a #2 on Thrash before the play. But wait, Thrash was running a clear out, he doesn't even look back at the quarterback. That's not a read in the progression, he's supposed to take the safety out the play. That's his job.

Naming Thrash as the second receiver is utter bullshit from Wilcots. He's simply NOT in the progression. If Campbell had extended the play to the right side of the field, perhaps he would have hit him with a pass. Otherwise, it's clear Portis was the ONLY throw on this play. There is nothing evidence about this.

The 8 yards MOVED THE REDSKINS INTO FIELD GOAL RANGE ON THIRD AND 13. Zorn passed on a 52 yard field goal attempt for a pooch punt...which Plack put in the end zone, probably because of a curse that Campbell put on him because he was leaving the field.

Play 3

This is a designed play called by Zorn that the Giants sniffed out. ALL THREE DEEP RECEIVERS ARE ON CLEARS, AND ALL THREE ARE PROPERLY COVERED.

This was not a good call by Zorn, or at least it wasn't going to work into a zone defense. If they had caught the Giants in a blitz, it's a 40 yard TD pass. They didn't, and they didn't convert. I don't even know what Wilcots is putting on Campbell. That he should have changed the play in the huddle? That he should have drawn the Giants offsides with his cadence?

Needless to say, Wilcots' sample consists of a 3rd and 12, a 3rd and 13, and a 3rd and 17. Boy, what a freakin bum right.

Not one missed read in the entire clip. Just bad analysis from a bad analyst.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But, why don't we actually go a step further, and break down Wilcots' breakdown.

Play 1

Campbell faces a 5 man overload rush against 6 man protection. The Redskins have the play picked up. Campbell's first read is open, so he goes to him, completing the pass and Moss is tackled short of the first down. The video shows that Moss was the correct read. Wilcots suggested that the game situation dictated that Campbell should have held the ball the extra second, and try to thread it into Randle El who was a yard short of the marker on 3 and 13.

Wilcots does not tell you that the Redskins were going to, and did go for it on fourth down. (This would hurt his argument) It's not like this is important or anything. Because getting 7 yards when you need to get 13 in two plays is sooooo useless.

For the record, Campbell's pass at the first down marker on 4th down was broken up. Randle El fell down.

Play 2

Redskins protect only 5 against a 4 man rush. Samuels is clearly beaten off the snap, and Campbell has pressure immediately.

Thrash is on a clear out route at the top of the screen. The corner turns him loose into cover two and the safety doesn't go over.

This looks terrible because Wilcots puts a #2 on Thrash before the play. But wait, Thrash was running a clear out, he doesn't even look back at the quarterback. That's not a read in the progression, he's supposed to take the safety out the play. That's his job.

Naming Thrash as the second receiver is utter bullshit from Wilcots. He's simply NOT in the progression. If Campbell had extended the play to the right side of the field, perhaps he would have hit him with a pass. Otherwise, it's clear Portis was the ONLY throw on this play. There is nothing evidence about this.

The 8 yards MOVED THE REDSKINS INTO FIELD GOAL RANGE ON THIRD AND 13. Zorn passed on a 52 yard field goal attempt for a pooch punt...which Plack put in the end zone, probably because of a curse that Campbell put on him because he was leaving the field.

Play 3

This is a designed play called by Zorn that the Giants sniffed out. ALL THREE DEEP RECEIVERS ARE ON CLEARS, AND ALL THREE ARE PROPERLY COVERED.

This was not a good call by Zorn, or at least it wasn't going to work into a zone defense. If they had caught the Giants in a blitz, it's a 40 yard TD pass. They didn't, and they didn't convert.

Needless to say, Wilcots' sample consists of a 3rd and 12, a 3rd and 13, and a 3rd and 17. Boy, what a freakin bum right.

Not one missed read in the entire clip. Just bad analysis from a bad analyst.

Outstanding analysis.