Coaching and Front Office Changes

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

JP Findlay mentioned that he believes Doug, Kyle, and Santos are safe for now.

While Schaffer was good and I wanted him to stay, he was also very close to Allen. I think that may be have been his undoing.

Yeah, i listened to that too. I am curious whether, if they bring in someone in after the draft, if it would be to REPLACE any of those 3 or to be a team president-type whom the 3 of them would report to.

I don't see any reason why Doug has a job here based on anything he's done in the front office. He seems to be resting on his laurels and I don't like that. Could care less about Santos one way or the other. Really impressed with everything Kyle Smith has been able to do IN SPITE of Allen and Snyder's meddling, so I hope that, if we bring someone in, we can somehow keep Kyle.

[JoeRedskin]

I am seeing reports that Scott Turner has been hired as the OC.

Also, the Giants may be looking at Jason Garrett for their OC.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

And he really improved their offense - with a 3rd string QB - in those 4 weeks.



What has KOC ever done here to care about? He's NOT Matt Lafleur and he's certainly not Sean McVay. He may be there one day, but he's nowhere close to being in their league now.



KOC's days here were numbered the second the season was over. It would have been foolish to promote him to HC and unreasonable to expect any new HC to just hand him the job based on the mediocre (at best) job he'd done here. KOC and Turner are basically on the same level as far as i'm concerned.



Snyder was quick and decisive in hiring Rivera - clearly the top HC candidate in the offseason - and Rivera has been quick and decisive in assembling his staff. Its clear that Rivera is getting his top choices and not settling for anything. We've been screaming for YEARS that we need to let the football people make the football decisions. Its finally happening. I'm not going to whine because some Kevin freaking OConnell is leaving.

Just clarifying, I am fine that Rivera is hiring his guy. I was not a KOC must stay guy. But to say that KOC hasn't proven anything here is as true as Scott Turner hasn't proven anything either. Hopefully Scott Turner comes in, develops a relationship with Haskins, and our offense takes off.

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[JoeRedskin]

From 9:50 this morning

Albert Breer‏Verified account @AlbertBreer
Source: The Redskins are hiring ex-Panthers assistant Scott Turner as their new offensive coordinator. They’re working on finalizing his contract now.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/stat...04985897553920

[JoeRedskin]

Story on Scott Turner working with Cam Newton:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/05/ca...s-scott-turner

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Story on Scott Turner working with Cam Newton:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/05/ca...s-scott-turner

Wouldn't be shocked if Cam came here for a year and Haskins learned behind him.

[JoeRedskin]

Turner's plan for the Redskins:

https://youtu.be/IC5YozmvPpM

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Turner's plan for the Redskins:

https://youtu.be/IC5YozmvPpM

That was a bad rick roll, you got roll right into the rick it started with some weird halo rap.

Come on man you are rusty.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

KOC was an OC for like 5 minutes as well, and presided over the worst offense in the league. Turner is, by default, an upgrade.

You're trying to make it into a black-and-white thing with the stats, but it's not so cut and dry.

We had the worst offense in the league because we stuck a rookie quarterback out there who wasn't ready, with 3 rookie wideouts and Trey Quinn/Paul Richardson, and a 3rd string TE as the starter. And your starting running back missed half the year, came back and played like 6ish? games and then got injured again, and his backup is a 35yo HOFer who isn't the guy he once was.

Whereas if you look at the detailed picture, you'd see after struggling initially Haskins and co. came on strong in the last 2 games before Haskins got hurt. So there are pieces to work with for next year, and acting like KOC should've hit the ground running as soon as he became playcaller, with the talent he had to work with, is asinine.

Anyways it's a moot point because KOC is leaving. But the shit on him here knowing the talent he had to work with and all the dysfunction on the coaching and training staffs is amazing. There's a reason multiple teams wanted to interview him after 2018.

[JoLo]

I’m fine with letting KOC leave and if Turner is who RR wants in RR I trust. I’m stoked we hired him. However, my only concern is based off of the reports I’ve heard about Haskins ability to learn a playbook over the course of his first season. Unsure how true they are, but I’ve read multiple times he struggled to pickup the playbook so him having to start ALL over worries me especially when he was finally appearing to pick things up there at the end of the season. I hope it doesn’t look like we’re starting from scratch come week 1 next year. The one caveat to all that is The Grudens are known to have an unnecessarily complex playbook and play calling style.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

KOC was an OC for like 5 minutes as well, and presided over the worst offense in the league. Turner is, by default, an upgrade.

Actually he was the OC the entire year. But that's besides the point. You're asking a young QB who played one year of college, struggled with the playbook, protections, formations and spitting out the plays correctly to start all over. Once he finally starts to get all that down and we see a little bit of progress you make him learn a new offense.

I feel that RR should have taken notice of the things I mentioned and left KOC in place because that was what's best for DH.

As others have mentioned everyone does the good old boy hires in the NFL. I get that. It's just part of the business that will never change.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mooby

You're trying to make it into a black-and-white thing with the stats, but it's not so cut and dry.

We had the worst offense in the league because we stuck a rookie quarterback out there who wasn't ready, with 3 rookie wideouts and Trey Quinn/Paul Richardson, and a 3rd string TE as the starter. And your starting running back missed half the year, came back and played like 6ish? games and then got injured again, and his backup is a 35yo HOFer who isn't the guy he once was.

Whereas if you look at the detailed picture, you'd see after struggling initially Haskins and co. came on strong in the last 2 games before Haskins got hurt. So there are pieces to work with for next year, and acting like KOC should've hit the ground running as soon as he became playcaller, with the talent he had to work with, is asinine.

Anyways it's a moot point because KOC is leaving. But the shit on him here knowing the talent he had to work with and all the dysfunction on the coaching and training staffs is amazing. There's a reason multiple teams wanted to interview him after 2018.

This...

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Actually he was the OC the entire year. But that's besides the point. You're asking a young QB who played one year of college, struggled with the playbook, protections, formations and spitting out the plays correctly to start all over. Once he finally starts to get all that down and we see a little bit of progress you make him learn a new offense.

I feel that RR should have taken notice of the things I mentioned and left KOC in place because that was what's best for DH.

As others have mentioned everyone does the good old boy hires in the NFL. I get that. It's just part of the business that will never change.

I want to play devil's advocate here. What if KOC disagree with Riveria's coaching/teaching strategies in general? Should Riveria still keep KOC, just for sake of the continuity?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Wouldn't be shocked if Cam came here for a year and Haskins learned behind him.

Haskins doesn't need to be sitting behind anyone. He needs to play.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

I want to play devil's advocate here. What if KOC disagree with Riveria's coaching/teaching strategies in general? Should Riveria still keep KOC, just for sake of the continuity?

No, I'm going on the assumption that RR wanted to bring in his own guy which is Norv's son.

Anyhow it looks like Scott Turner has certainly paid his dues as he's been an assistant since 2005.