Post game Packers

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Some people can’t be saved, Matty.

I actually thought Kerrigan was ok last week. My point is he isn't above being called out.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

Feels like every year we put Kerrigan under the microscope and it's just beyond silly at this point.

Here's a guy who averages 10 sacks a year, has been to 3 Pro Bowls, and probably most impressively hasn't missed a single damn game and somehow he's always the one getting singled out. I don't get it, never have, never will.

Agreed.
And I've been one to knock Kerrigan for not producing more.

But at some point you just gotta accept he's not Khalil Mack, he's not Von Miller...
But he's a reliable, consistent edge rusher who plays well, is available, and is having a really good beginning of a season so far.

Saying he's not in the same category as those other guys is true IMO.
But we've had this discussion for several years now, so I'm guessing that dead horse has been reduced to a putrefying steak tartare that nobody will (nor should) ever eat after all that beating.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Oh yeah. I am getting my popcorn and beer ready this thread has taken a fun turn.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Oh yeah. I am getting my popcorn and beer ready this thread has taken a fun turn.

It usually does when he goes full douche because someone disagrees with his “factual opinions”
Anyway I hope I am still worthy of his ire. Otherwise my life is utterly worthless.

[los panda]

I've never been more scared than I am right now.

[mooby]

I have no complaints with Kerrigan as a pass rusher, I just wish he'd show up a little more in the run game. Now that we have a competent d-line, it should free him up to make stops when they run the ball. Same for Preston Smith.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

I have no complaints with Kerrigan as a pass rusher, I just wish he'd show up a little more in the run game. Now that we have a competent d-line, it should free him up to make stops when they run the ball. Same for Preston Smith.

Preston who?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Preston who?

Preston is the guy I'd be more concerned with than Kerrigan, seems like he's only made a couple plays so far this season.

Also full disclosure, this is only my personal eye-test, non-researched opinion, maybe he's made a couple plays that don't show up on the stat sheet like occupying blockers so someone else can make a play, or pressuring the qb. But I know the sacks ain't there lol.

[WillH]

Just watched game all-22. Not keying in on anyone in particular. First impressions:

1. This defense is good. We made Rodgers Checkdown Charlie. Half way through the 1st quarter he gave up on getting down field passes because coverage was too good and the interior line destroyed the pocket. Their first TD drive was all quick passes, and the defense kept everything in front of them. If it were anyone else than Aaron Rodgers they would have made a mistake and thrown a pick or had an incomplete 3rd down pass somewhere along the way. He got back to it later in the game, but he only ever had time when he scrambled. Certainly the knee didn't help, particularly with the accuracy of throws on the run, but he was still slippery especially for the edge rushers who nearly got home several times.

2. Kerrigan & Co. was pressuring him especially early on and some of the Dline success was because Rodgers had to step up or couldn't get around the edge. Ultimately their impact was limited because he was slippery and began dinking and dunking and they didn't have time to get home. They also did their job in the run and screen game. Smith especially had a number of good tackles in the run game.

3. Ryan Anderson has something. He looks much improved and has more explosiveness and bend around the edge than I thought he was capable of. I think he will have 6+ sacks this year. He also stayed disciplined on the outside and reacted well on screens. This was a pleasant surprise.

4. Monte Nicholson on the other hand is an unpleasant surprise. He was fine in coverage. No complaints there. He's still fast and covers ground quickly and is an asset on coverage, although he didn't get tested because Rodgers couldn't get a deep ball off. The problem is he missed like 5 open field tackles. I think he's playing scared and doesn't want to reinjure his shoulders. Its not good and hopefully he'll play his way through it, but it looks like he's avoiding contact.

5. Doctson was open or had favorable position in a 1 on 1 matchup on many pass attempts, but there were a number of reasons the ball didn't go to him. Smith didn't have time in the pocket or was flushed in the opposite direction, the play was clearly designed for another player, or Smith on 3rd down took the sure 1st down with his legs. In different game situations he will get some of those targets.

6. Jay said GB had a good Dline, maybe that's true, but it was a little concerning how many 2 yard runs AP had. Very small nit to pick I know.

7. Bergstrom and Roullier looked very good in pass pro and good in run blocking. Chase looked a little lost on some second level blocks and on screens, but overall they looked impressive. Nsekhe was ok.

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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by WillH

Just watched game all-22. Not keying in on anyone in particular. First impressions:

1. This defense is good. We made Rodgers Checkdown Charlie. Half way through the 1st quarter he gave up on getting down field passes because coverage was too good and the interior line destroyed the pocket. Their first TD drive was all quick passes, and the defense kept everything in front of them. If it were anyone else than Aaron Rodgers they would have made a mistake and thrown a pick or had an incomplete 3rd down pass somewhere along the way. He got back to it later in the game, but he only ever had time when he scrambled. Certainly the knee didn't help, particularly with the accuracy of throws on the run, but he was still slippery especially for the edge rushers who nearly got home several times.

2. Kerrigan & Co. was pressuring him especially early on and some of the Dline success was because Rodgers had to step up or couldn't get around the edge. Ultimately their impact was limited because he was slippery and began dinking and dunking and they didn't have time to get home. They also did their job in the run and screen game. Smith especially had a number of good tackles in the run game.

3. Ryan Anderson has something. He looks much improved and has more explosiveness and bend around the edge than I thought he was capable of. I think he will have 6+ sacks this year. He also stayed disciplined on the outside and reacted well on screens. This was a pleasant surprise.

4. Monte Nicholson on the other hand is an unpleasant surprise. He was fine in coverage. No complaints there. He's still fast and covers ground quickly and is an asset on coverage, although he didn't get tested because Rodgers couldn't get a deep ball off. The problem is he missed like 5 open field tackles. I think he's playing scared and doesn't want to reinjure his shoulders. Its not good and hopefully he'll play his way through it, but it looks like he's avoiding contact.

5. Doctson was open or had favorable position in a 1 on 1 matchup on many pass attempts, but there were a number of reasons the ball didn't go to him. Smith didn't have time in the pocket or was flushed in the opposite direction, the play was clearly designed for another player, or Smith on 3rd down took the sure 1st down with his legs. In different game situations he will get some of those targets.

6. Jay said GB had a good Dline, maybe that's true, but it was a little concerning how many 2 yard runs AP had. Very small nit to pick I know.

7. Bergstrom and Roullier looked very good in pass pro and good in run blocking. Chase looked a little lost on some second level blocks and on screens, but overall they looked impressive. Nsekhe was ok.

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Man, my eyes didn’t fool me because I’ve seen the same thing with Monte, dude been terrible coming up on run support and tackling in general.

Good to hear about Ryan Anderson...

And maybe lauvao should stay on the sideline.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Man, my eyes didn’t fool me because I’ve seen the same thing with Monte, dude been terrible coming up on run support and tackling in general.

Good to hear about Ryan Anderson...

And maybe lauvao should stay on the sideline.

Monte sure has . . . though not as bad as Norman . . . he missed 5 tackles in the first half of the colts game . . . bad angles leading to the missed tackles mostly

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

Monte sure has . . . though not as bad as Norman . . . he missed 5 tackles in the first half of the colts game . . . bad angles leading to the missed tackles mostly

I don't want to make a Federal case out of it but Norman has not lived up to his huge contract, IMO. No interceptions last year was bad enough but he has also been beaten for big plays as a pass defender and run over a few times already this season.

Don't get me wrong. He's been a good player for us. What he hasn't provided are the game-changing plays that were expected of him.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I don't want to make a Federal case out of it but Norman has not lived up to his huge contract, IMO. No interceptions last year was bad enough but he has also been beaten for big plays as as a pass defender and run over a few times already this season.

Don't get me wrong. He's been a good player for us. What he hasn't provided are the game-changing plays that were expected of him.

Is his contract that much? I think he's been solid and there has been times where QBs don't target him as much. This season, aside from the Colts game where everyone but Swearinger sucked, I think he's been great.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I don't want to make a Federal case out of it but Norman has not lived up to his huge contract, IMO. No interceptions last year was bad enough but he has also been beaten for big plays as a pass defender and run over a few times already this season.

Don't get me wrong. He's been a good player for us. What he hasn't provided are the game-changing plays that were expected of him.

I agree with you.. Dunbar is playing as if he is #1 CB on the defense, and I suppose Norman played a role in it. I'm certain Dunbar learned a lot from Norman, as well as Gray. So we can look at this as if we are paying Norman to play and coach young DBs. I think it will be interesting to see what Redskins FO plan to do with Norman if Dunbar and Moreau continue to play well throughout the season.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by WillH

Just watched game all-22. Not keying in on anyone in particular. First impressions:

1. This defense is good. We made Rodgers Checkdown Charlie. Half way through the 1st quarter he gave up on getting down field passes because coverage was too good and the interior line destroyed the pocket. Their first TD drive was all quick passes, and the defense kept everything in front of them. If it were anyone else than Aaron Rodgers they would have made a mistake and thrown a pick or had an incomplete 3rd down pass somewhere along the way. He got back to it later in the game, but he only ever had time when he scrambled. Certainly the knee didn't help, particularly with the accuracy of throws on the run, but he was still slippery especially for the edge rushers who nearly got home several times.

2. Kerrigan & Co. was pressuring him especially early on and some of the Dline success was because Rodgers had to step up or couldn't get around the edge. Ultimately their impact was limited because he was slippery and began dinking and dunking and they didn't have time to get home. They also did their job in the run and screen game. Smith especially had a number of good tackles in the run game.

3. Ryan Anderson has something. He looks much improved and has more explosiveness and bend around the edge than I thought he was capable of. I think he will have 6+ sacks this year. He also stayed disciplined on the outside and reacted well on screens. This was a pleasant surprise.

4. Monte Nicholson on the other hand is an unpleasant surprise. He was fine in coverage. No complaints there. He's still fast and covers ground quickly and is an asset on coverage, although he didn't get tested because Rodgers couldn't get a deep ball off. The problem is he missed like 5 open field tackles. I think he's playing scared and doesn't want to reinjure his shoulders. Its not good and hopefully he'll play his way through it, but it looks like he's avoiding contact.

5. Doctson was open or had favorable position in a 1 on 1 matchup on many pass attempts, but there were a number of reasons the ball didn't go to him. Smith didn't have time in the pocket or was flushed in the opposite direction, the play was clearly designed for another player, or Smith on 3rd down took the sure 1st down with his legs. In different game situations he will get some of those targets.

6. Jay said GB had a good Dline, maybe that's true, but it was a little concerning how many 2 yard runs AP had. Very small nit to pick I know.

7. Bergstrom and Roullier looked very good in pass pro and good in run blocking. Chase looked a little lost on some second level blocks and on screens, but overall they looked impressive. Nsekhe was ok.

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Will this is a great post.

The point on Doctson is especially useful for me because that's what you miss when you watch the game live via the sideline network cameras, you can't always see the WRs when the ball doesn't go to them. Nice to see that you feel Doctson at least represents a threat. Guys don't suddenly forget how to play football - so I always wonder what's going on when you see someone's production suddenly plummet from one year to the next. It's only three games in, and it's not like Doctson lit it up last year, but he made some key plays and so far nada. Hoping he'll make his fair share the rest of the way.

On Nicholson, there was a play later in the game where the ball went to Jimmy Graham along the sideline and Nicholson just dove at his feet. I agree he looked afraid of contact because he took his eyes off the target pretty early. I think he's not taking the right lines/angles in a lot of cases.
But for him it's more important that his range represent a threat in the deep middle. That's a big reason why the corners feel like they can be aggressive. Dunbar was money in the first game and I think it was because he felt he could play fearlessly: a) he knew the defensive line wouldn't give Bradford any time and b) he knew Montae was back there if someone got behind him.