Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

As long as its not a california team I'm with you!! tired of the deadskins anymore..they suck because the owner built them that way! I am actually enjoying them losing because I know how much it is hurting Snyder..suffer on Danny boy. IT'S YOUR BABY! Letting BOTH Starting Wideouts leave last year was maybe the WORST front office move in the league.

Cousins is a good person first and foremost and a way above average QB who will continue to play well wherever he goes.

What’s the expression? Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face. I hate DS too because he has turned a very proud franchise into a mediocre one. He has made us a laughingstock more than once. In short, he has ruined football for me. I get it. However if the Redskins winning makes him happy than so be it. Im a Skins fan. I was long before he came into the picture.

[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by punch it in

What’s the expression? Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face. I hate DS too because he has turned a very proud franchise into a mediocre one. He has made us a laughingstock more than once. In short, he has ruined football for me. I get it. However if the Redskins winning makes him happy than so be it. Im a Skins fan. I was long before he came into the picture.

My post was totally taken out of context..what i was trying to say was I pull for this team to win every game However once the game is over The ONLY positive thing that can come out of this is hopefully you LEARN BY YOUR MISTAKES ..Snyder hates losing so you would think at some point the light would come on and he would say to himself maybe the problem is me! so when i said i enjoy the team losing its because the game is already over and maybe Snyder will change. Im not going to jump off a building because the team loses ..how about the teams that lose on purpose to get the number one pick? how many of you at the end of some of these losses say..I am done ..I don't care about this crap..My bet is a lot of you.Well from here on out Im all positive..nothing negative at all to say.

[Meks]

Sadly, i think he's done here in his own mind. Can't fault him. I think he could succeed with the right team around him. This year? We don't have the right team around him. 7-9 or 8-8 is the outcome i feel of this year through 6 games, my hopes was 10-6 but my reality guess was 7-9 or 8-8 so ... whie im dissapointed, im not surprised really. Kirk is a good qb, but the more i go through with this with him... I JUST DONT SEE THE PLAYMAKER ABILITY THAT THIS TEAM NEEDS TO WIN... he's a good qb, and maybe he gets better, i just dont think he gets over that hill with this franchise sadly. Good dude, class act, good qb with potential, but i think yes, he's done here after this year.

[over the mountain]

What's next in the uneasy marriage between Kirk Cousins and the Redskins - NFL

Good, long read on Kirk. Surprised ESPN still produces actual journalism pieces.

[REDSKINS4ever]

No....I don't think Cousins is done by a long shot....the front office believes firmly that he's the guy.... he's proven he can play....

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

No....I don't think Cousins is done by a long shot....the front office believes firmly that he's the guy.... he's proven he can play....

How in the world could you possibly think that is true based on their actions over the last several years?

[MTK]

If you enjoy watching your team lose you’re just an asshole. Find another hobby.

[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by MTK

If you enjoy watching your team lose you’re just an asshole. Find another hobby.

You got hundreds of post on here bashing ,cursing,dooming,hating Snyder and front office ..after every loss you have fans ripping this team apart..I have been a fan since 1969 ..I lived and loved the GLORY DAYS of this TEAM..what we have now is pale in comparison to those days..I feel sorry for anybody who thinks this modern day Snyder version is what the REDSKINS are about..He ruined this team! and there is never going to be a super bowl trophy in washington as long as he runs things. So yea Even though I pull for this team when they lose the bright spot is Snyder gets to see what he has done to this once proud Franchise.I knew before the game monday we could not win..WHY you ask?? Because somebody in the front office decided we didn't need our top 2 Wideouts and let them walk..with either one of them we could be 5-1 or worse 4-2 ..but no we had to have Pryor! I feel bad for the Oline guys who are playing hurt ,I feel bad for Cousins who lost his best WR's ...but most of all I feel bad for the young fans who never saw what a great owner and front office could produce..

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

You got hundreds of post on here bashing ,cursing,dooming,hating Snyder and front office ..after every loss you have fans ripping this team apart..I have been a fan since 1969 ..I lived and loved the GLORY DAYS of this TEAM..what we have now is pale in comparison to those days..I feel sorry for anybody who thinks this modern day Snyder version is what the REDSKINS are about..He ruined this team! and there is never going to be a super bowl trophy in washington as long as he runs things. So yea Even though I pull for this team when they lose the bright spot is Snyder gets to see what he has done to this once proud Franchise.I knew before the game monday we could not win..WHY you ask?? Because somebody in the front office decided we didn't need our top 2 Wideouts and let them walk..with either one of them we could be 5-1 or worse 4-2 ..but no we had to have Pryor! I feel bad for the Oline guys who are playing hurt ,I feel bad for Cousins who lost his best WR's ...but most of all I feel bad for the young fans who never saw what a great owner and front office could produce..

The glory day teams, and I loved watching them like everyone in the city did, were built without free agency, salary caps, and without the immense media scrutiny of modern day.

Do you think the hogs or fun bunch would have stuck together through all those seasons? I'm very confident that they would NOT have and that we would have lost players after each of our superbowls. Even coaches are more fluid these days (that's my opinion not something I can cite statistics on).

Being a fan of the team is just that you ride the emotional ups and downs, and everyone has their favorite rants and raves -- BUT!!! -- in the end if you are a fan of the team, you ought to be able to say "this is my team, it has warts (or big ole stink bombs if you are a Snyder hater) and I want them to win. GO SKINS". If not, why be a fan? Why invest even the 48 hours of game time to sit and just to have something to hate on or moan and groan about? I don't get it.

[SouperMeister]

Kirk will be a solid, competent QB for someone. He doesn't warrant being the highest paid player in the league, but Bruce botched this two years ago, when he could have signed him long term for $20M per year/$60M guaranteed. That would be such a bargain today. Now it will probably take $28M per year/$100M guaranteed. Thanks, Bruce.

[Schneed10]

Max Kellerman said it really well yesterday. You won't win the Super Bowl because of Kirk Cousins but you can win the Super Bowl with Kirk Cousins.

He's not the Rodgers / Brady type of QB who elevates the play of those around him. But Super Bowls have been won by worse quarterbacks because they had a complete team around them.

The thing we have to ask ourselves, in the salary cap era, how hard is it to put together that complete team around Cousins if Cousins is being paid top dollar? It's a shitty decision to have to make - I think the answer is doing that is extremely hard. It's also extremely hard to find a new QB who can do what Cousins can do, let alone who can do what Rodgers or Brady can do.

Compounding it all is the obstacle we face in our own division - Dak and Wentz are on their rookie deals yet already are among the top 10 in the league. It's a tough position and I'm afraid there's no good answer besides getting very lucky in the draft - either draft the next big QB or keep Cousins and hit on a whole bunch of middle rounders who turn to be stars.

Like I said, it's hard.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Max Kellerman said it really well yesterday. You won't win the Super Bowl because of Kirk Cousins but you can win the Super Bowl with Kirk Cousins.

He's not the Rodgers / Brady type of QB who elevates the play of those around him. But Super Bowls have been won by worse quarterbacks because they had a complete team around them.

The thing we have to ask ourselves, in the salary cap era, how hard is it to put together that complete team around Cousins if Cousins is being paid top dollar? It's a shitty decision to have to make - I think the answer is doing that is extremely hard. It's also extremely hard to find a new QB who can do what Cousins can do, let alone who can do what Rodgers or Brady can do.

Compounding it all is the obstacle we face in our own division - Dak and Wentz are on their rookie deals yet already are among the top 10 in the league. It's a tough position and I'm afraid there's no good answer besides getting very lucky in the draft - either draft the next big QB or keep Cousins and hit on a whole bunch of middle rounders who turn to be stars.

Like I said, it's hard.

That is exactly how i had it in my mind. You put it into words. Great job.

The reason above by S10 is why I don't really believe DS and BA are really the bad guys here. I don't blame them for asking KC to prove it each year. You can pay Brady/ Aaron that kind of money and have lesser talent else where and the dealt is covered but with KC he alone can't win you games with just his share talent. What drives the price up on KC is the lack of talent at his level plus the drop off of talent below him. Its a real tough situation. I think if you look at the Ravens right now they are a in a bit of a pickle they are in is because of Flacco's contract and his current ability to produce.

I almost think because how specialized the QB position is that the NFL should have a separate salary cap for the position that doesn't effect the rest of your teams salary cap.

In the end the real issue is just the share lack of quality QBing at the NFL level and it becomes a simple economic equation of supply and demand that sets their salary.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mredskins

That is exactly how i had it in my mind. You put it into words. Great job.

Credit for that wording goes to Max Kellerman. Like you, it immediately struck me - someone finally put their finger right on it.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Max Kellerman said it really well yesterday. You won't win the Super Bowl because of Kirk Cousins but you can win the Super Bowl with Kirk Cousins.

He's not the Rodgers / Brady type of QB who elevates the play of those around him. But Super Bowls have been won by worse quarterbacks because they had a complete team around them.

The thing we have to ask ourselves, in the salary cap era, how hard is it to put together that complete team around Cousins if Cousins is being paid top dollar? It's a shitty decision to have to make - I think the answer is doing that is extremely hard. It's also extremely hard to find a new QB who can do what Cousins can do, let alone who can do what Rodgers or Brady can do.

Compounding it all is the obstacle we face in our own division - Dak and Wentz are on their rookie deals yet already are among the top 10 in the league. It's a tough position and I'm afraid there's no good answer besides getting very lucky in the draft - either draft the next big QB or keep Cousins and hit on a whole bunch of middle rounders who turn to be stars.

Like I said, it's hard.

I think if you look up here in Baltimore you can see the ramifications of that. Flacco put together a helluva playoff run in 2012 and received top dollar despite people knowing he is not an elite level QB, since then they have struggled to put together a quality product. There are other variables there for sure and for what it is worth I think Cousins is better than Flacco, and I think you pay Cousins and see what you can do.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I think if you look up here in Baltimore you can see the ramifications of that. Flacco put together a helluva playoff run in 2012 and received top dollar despite people knowing he is not an elite level QB, since then they have struggled to put together a quality product. There are other variables there for sure and for what it is worth I think Cousins is better than Flacco, and I think you pay Cousins and see what you can do.

I'd rather have Cousins over Flacco anyday. The Ravens have lost games this season due to Flacco. I would not be surprised if he's cut this off-season if his play doesn't pick up. That or they draft a QB and then cut him the following season.