What would it take?

[NC_Skins]

One problem with the firing is this:

s, but as the top Senate-confirmed official at the Justice Department, she is the only one authorized to sign foreign surveillance warrants, an essential function at the department.

So until somebody else is confirmed, no FISA warrants can be issued. We aren't sure Sessions will be confirmed. I seriously doubt any Democrat will vote for him with his background in racism.

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Although at a higher level this is akin to the official who was fired for not validating gay marriages. Its all political theater. Yates was out in a week anyways when Sessions is approved so she took a stand.
Its not very shocking that an Obama hack wouldn't understand the concept of enforcing the law

She's sworn to uphold the law of the Constitution. If she thinks the executive order is unconstitutional, then it's her duty NOT to execute those actions. She's doing her job.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Trump's order is not unconstitutional - it is not a ban of all Muslims, .

You aren't a lawyer. JR is. That said, the cat is out of the bag thanks to dumbass Giuliani spilling the beans on the "Muslim ban".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a065a34624e3

You do realize he campaigned on banning Muslims?
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-r...im-immigration

- December 07, 2015 -
​Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration

(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah." Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.

So yes, it is unconstitutional.

You know it's bad when the Koch brothers are saying something.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b0fd9c7e0089

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If Trump's support is broad enough to force the Republican party to stay the course, then these protests could be the last gasp of a dying democratic resistance. If the Republican's in the Senate don't stand with Trump's "movement" then it will flame out, and Trump will be a one term lame duck president.

ROFL? I can safely assure you that the "democratic resistance" is far from dead. Seeing as even 3 million more voted for hillary this past election. This is a fact, if Democrats were to show up to vote each election, the GOP would never win another election. Period.

Democratic, Republican Identification Near Historical Lows | Gallup

[Alvin Walton]

Blah blah blah.....another Obama appointee is gone.
Executive authority really sucks when its not wielded by bleeding hearts.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Blah blah blah.....another Obama appointee is gone.

Executive authority really sucks when its not wielded by bleeding hearts.

Are you an old bitter person who lives alone? I bet you are.

[punch it in]

Why cant all of you rightists see the difference this time around? When Obama was Pres all of you bitched. When Bush was Pres all of us bitched.
That is how it was for a long time.
This is completely different. This has left the "bitching" world of politics and entered into the "insane" world of politics.
It is not our fault that the insane one ran on your ticket.

[Alvin Walton]

Fish on!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Fish on!

I knew it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Blah blah blah.....another Obama appointee is gone.
Executive authority really sucks when its not wielded by bleeding hearts.

Sally Yates was confirmed as Deputy A.G. by a Republican senate 84-12. Republicans cited her willingness to be independent as her strength.


Executive authority sucks when it's racism. I can't believe you guys actually support this piece of shit. It says a lot about you as individuals.

[Alvin Walton]

Islam is not a race.

[JoeRedskin]

So, I have been looking at the Constitutionality of the Executive Order and what the Constitutional law folks are saying. The short answer is that, on its face, the travel ban is Constitutional and within the President delegated authority. However, the manner in which it is applied may be a violation of Constitutional due process / equal protection. As I understand it, it was on this basis that the federal district court granted a temporary stay.

This is a Presidential Order that is administering executive authority delegated him by Congress pursuant to federal immigration law. Further, the Executive Order covers only those countries specifically identified by Congress and the Obama administration as “countries of concern” that have been determined to have a "significant presence" of a foreign terrorist organization or to be a safe havens for terrorists.

Under current federal immigration law, the President has broad authority to prohibit people from entering the US:

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens …
(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

In addition, the countries to which the ban is applicable were specifically chosen based on prior Congressional and Executive action. The seven identified countries are from the list covered by "Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015" initially identified by Congress and, subsequently, supplemented by the Obama administration. The Bill was a bipartisan act that was signed into law by Obama in December 2015. It was passed overwhelmingly by Congress (407 – 19). Initially the law barred individuals “from Iraq, Syria, Iran and the Sudan, or those who have visited those countries in the last five years, from traveling to the United States without a visa.” In February 2016, , the Obama administration identified Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as “Countries of Concern” under the act and barred individuals from these countries as well from travelling to the US without a visa.

http://www.cnn.com/.../visa-waiver-p...use/index.html
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr158/text
https://www.dhs.gov/.../dhs-announces-further-travel...

In challenging the Order, it is almost unquestionably Constitutional as written but the Constitutionality of its actual application is much debated. Given that (1) the vast number of Muslim dominated countries are NOT on the list (including the largest – Indonesia); and (2) on its face, it is limited to "countries of concern" as identified by Obama’s Dept. of Homeland Security, I would suggest that the Order is facially Constitutional because it is specifically related to national security and not, strictly speaking, a “Muslim ban.”

Rather, the attacks on it that were – temporarily – successful attacked the actual application of the Order – deprivation of a property right without due process and deprivation of equal protection under the law. However, this due process/equal protection aspect can be remedied going forward since notice of the intended deprivation has, in fact, been given and all that need be implemented is a process to contest any individual ban. This does not require a full blown hearing/trial but need only allow the individual to be heard before a neutral decision maker.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Islam is not a race.

everything is race to libs.

And the majority cut thru this bullshit and elected Trump...we are tired of the false narratives. We are tired of people who believe everything on the internet.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You aren't a lawyer. JR is. That said, the cat is out of the bag thanks to dumbass Giuliani spilling the beans on the "Muslim ban".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a065a34624e3

You do realize he campaigned on banning Muslims?
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-r...im-immigration





So yes, it is unconstitutional.

...

The order itself is not unconstitutional, what he campaigned on doesn't impact the constitunality of an order. But I'm not a constitutional lawyer (neither are you) so until a court holds it as unconstitutional or constitutional we will disagree.

[BaltimoreSkins]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/countri...cks-1485708300

Interesting read about the actual threat of terrorism faced by U.S. versus the "Countries of Concern" identified by Obama and banned by Trump.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Islam is not a race.

While this is technically true, we've always discriminated against brown people.

Originally Posted by Chico23231

everything is race to libs.

And the majority cut thru this bullshit and elected Trump...we are tired of the false narratives. We are tired of people who believe everything on the internet.

Puhlease. He got elected because the Democrat party decided to run Hillary instead of anybody else. He got elected because Democrats stayed home on election day. The people aren't tired of the establishment, which is exactly why the same fucking Senators were voted in by those very same red states. This election was always about....."Not Hillary". To think otherwise is simply foolish.

I will say this about the Democratic party.(not all of them mind you) They have forgotten the middle class working man in their economic plans, and focused more on social issues. Social issues doesn't put food on the table.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

everything is race to libs.



And the majority cut thru this bullshit and elected Trump...we are tired of the false narratives. We are tired of people who believe everything on the internet.

Majority of what? Not people.