The hypocrisy of the ________

[MTK]

In San Jose, a Different Approach to Gun Control

[Chico23231]

I think a big thing to remember in the Gun Control argument is constitutional law.

So when we think of licenses, insurance, registrations, you gotta think about that.

But again, we aren't addressing the mass shooter issue at all. So we are actually fine with mass shooters and its more about guns, right? Kinda like the New Green Deal, its not really about climate, but imposing, forcing socialism on the country.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think a big thing to remember in the Gun Control argument is constitutional law.

So when we think of licenses, insurance, registrations, you gotta think about that.

But again, we aren't addressing the mass shooter issue at all. So we are actually fine with mass shooters and its more about guns, right? Kinda like the New Green Deal, its not really about climate, but imposing, forcing socialism on the country.

Seriously, this makes no sense.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Seriously, this makes no sense.

yeah...I think what im getting at is registrations, licenses, insurance, etc is not addressing this uptick in mass shootings. I think we should really focus on that rather than the gun. There is a constitutional right and gun violence dramatically drop....so why do we have an uptick in the mass shooting phenomenon?

So items like Red flag law, a concerted effort to deal with domestic terrorism such as white supremacist, mental health education starting early in school, mandatory 5 years if possessing illegal gun, etc these focus more on folks who shouldn't be in possession of a gun, mental health to help the youth, and fighting extremist ideology which is easily assessable online.

I have relatives who could arm a small country and have never even gotten a speeding ticket. What do you say to the millions of those?

[mooby]

Chico, if you want to address the underlying issue of mental health instead of addressing guns I'm all for it. First step, reversing the years of budget cuts to medicare/medicaid. Idk how you can say you want to address the issue of mental health without increasing the budget of one of the main programs that deals with it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Chico, if you want to address the underlying issue of mental health instead of addressing guns I'm all for it. First step, reversing the years of budget cuts to medicare/medicaid. Idk how you can say you want to address the issue of mental health without increasing the budget of one of the main programs that deals with it.

Mooby i know what you are saying, but i really wonder why all the answers have to be federalized programs.why cant there be block grants to local governments to find solutions for their citizens, or to charitable non profits that focus on helping others.

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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

Chico, if you want to address the underlying issue of mental health instead of addressing guns I'm all for it. First step, reversing the years of budget cuts to medicare/medicaid. Idk how you can say you want to address the issue of mental health without increasing the budget of one of the main programs that deals with it.

Yep, cant say I give you any sources for funding on any of these suggestions but its worth talking about how to pay for it.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by mooby

Chico, if you want to address the underlying issue of mental health instead of addressing guns I'm all for it. First step, reversing the years of budget cuts to medicare/medicaid. Idk how you can say you want to address the issue of mental health without increasing the budget of one of the main programs that deals with it.

For the record I first fired a .22 rifle at 7 and have been a gun owner since I was 18 when I bought a .38 revolver. That was 40 years ago. 40 years ago mass shootings were rare, also suicides by teenagers and young adults were at 1/2 the rate they are now. One of the big differences I see in that time frame is how many kids are diagnosed with ADHD and the like and medicated. I have known families where all 3 kids were on pills. I guess I am lucky being born in the early 60's. I was always on the honor roll, but wound a little too tight. My solution was exercise, that would knock the edge off so I could concentrate whether at work or school. That actually continued till I was in my early 30's. If I didn't get a morning run in before heading to work I was bouncing off the walls all day. if I was born 30 years later I probably would have been given elephant tranquilizers daily.

I just see too many parents drugging their kids as a problem. Also it seems a lot of psychologists, like that idiot on TV, Dr Phil act like pills and counseling are a cure all for everything. Dr Phil thinks there is no such thing as a bad kid. Some people are just evil and need to be monitored closely, or better yet locked up. The idea that someone who has displayed repeated past disturbing behavior is fixed by meds is absurd.

[SunnySide]

The hypocrisy of the Republicans to blame the troop pull out of Iraq on Pres Obama.

Republicans' Reality:

“President Trump is being told EXACTLY what President Obama was told before he withdrew from Iraq,” Graham tweeted Wednesday. “He appears to be hell-bent on making the same mistakes in Syria as President Obama made in Iraq.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem...tical-of-trump

Real Reality:

In late April 2007 Congress passed a supplementary spending bill for Iraq that set a deadline for troop withdrawal but President Bush vetoed this bill, citing his concerns about setting a withdrawal deadline.[8][9][10] The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory".[11][12][13] The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdr...oops_from_Iraq

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/aug/21/iraq.usa

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Why are democrats allowing republicans to keep repeating that it was Obama who pulled out of Iraq and creating ISIS?

Its clearly, demonstratively that Pres Obama had to pull the troops out by 2011 under the agreement signed by Pres Bush in 2008.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

The hypocrisy of the Republicans to blame the troop pull out of Iraq on Pres Obama.

Republicans' Reality:

“President Trump is being told EXACTLY what President Obama was told before he withdrew from Iraq,” Graham tweeted Wednesday. “He appears to be hell-bent on making the same mistakes in Syria as President Obama made in Iraq.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem...tical-of-trump

Real Reality:

In late April 2007 Congress passed a supplementary spending bill for Iraq that set a deadline for troop withdrawal but President Bush vetoed this bill, citing his concerns about setting a withdrawal deadline.[8][9][10] The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory".[11][12][13] The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdr...oops_from_Iraq

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/aug/21/iraq.usa

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Why are democrats allowing republicans to keep repeating that it was Obama who pulled out of Iraq and creating ISIS?

Its clearly, demonstratively that Pres Obama had to pull the troops out by 2011 under the agreement signed by Pres Bush in 2008.

People everywhere have just had enough...................

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-to...212504674.html
The retired US Navy Adm. William McRaven, a Navy SEAL who oversaw the raid that took out al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden in 2011, gave a bleak assessment of President Donald Trump and alleged the commander in chief was gutting the country of the "nation's principles."
McRaven recounted in a New York Times opinion column a military ceremony he recently attended at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where he reflected upon the thousands of US service members who marched on the parade field before him.
McRaven pointed out what he said were examples of the US neglecting its duty to be the "the protectors of the less fortunate" — including Trump's recent decision to withdraw troops from Syria as Turkish-backed militants wage war against the once US-backed Kurdish militia.
McRaven added that Trump "is wrong" to think empathy is "unimportant" or shows "weakness."

[CRedskinsRule]

I am digging this thread up, because ultimately Schumer, Schiff, McConnell and Trump all live in a world of hypocrisy, they feed their media stooges their same hypocritical crap, and in the end our population divides itself over the politically motivated hypocrisy.

This is 2020 version of an orwellian state.

[Back2RFK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am digging this thread up, because ultimately Schumer, Schiff, McConnell and Trump all live in a world of hypocrisy, they feed their media stooges their same hypocritical crap, and in the end our population divides itself over the politically motivated hypocrisy.

This is 2020 version of an orwellian state.

This country was divided politically way before Trump, and in my opinion its because our Government has become way too big.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Back2RFK

This country was divided politically way before Trump, and in my opinion its because our Government has become way too big.

I think it is because for over 80 years we have been seeing the divergence of two political core beliefs. And every economic downturn has widened that gap, until the 2008 great recession ultimately created a span so wide that it may be irreconcilable.

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think it is because for over 80 years we have been seeing the divergence of two political core beliefs. And every economic downturn has widened that gap, until the 2008 great recession ultimately created a span so wide that it may be irreconcilable.

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I don't think it's as political as you think ,I think it economics! The more the middle working class gets dumped on the more political parties scream at each other yet nether do anything and has been going on for a good 60/70 years.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I don't think it's as political as you think ,I think it economics! The more the middle working class gets dumped on the more political parties scream at each other yet nether do anything and has been going on for a good 60/70 years.

I do not disagree with that at all.

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